RWS-based decks with pips?

[Asbestos Mango]

I have Courtney Davis' Celtic Tarot, which is pretty RWS-based and has pips for the numbered cards and I've enjoyed reading with it. I'm wondering what other decks are out there that are RWS-based and have pips? I had the Ibis Tarot at one time, but I didn't pay a lot of attention to the LWB because I didn't know there were different systems and the same numbered card could mean something completely different in, say, a TdM.

I'm actually thinking about getting brave and ordering a TdM, but then I would have to learn the system and I don't know if my aging brain is up for that.

[WyrdRaven]

How about the BOTA (Builders of the Adytum)? Basically a B&W Waite deck with pips. There is the added advantage that you can color your own cards as you study them, so the deck is truly and personally yours.

[Le Fanu]

You mean like RWS in the Majors and then pips? Would courts also be like the RWS courts? I've never seen that. Have you seen the Cruel Thing Tarot? The pip cards are arranged like the suit symbols in the RWS but they are non-scenic (or unillustrated; I never know the difference...)

[Rhinemaiden]

Ukiyoe tarot....a Japanese inspired deck from USGames, 1982.

http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/ukiyoe/

Illustrated majors and courts, Marseille style pips. It's a deck to savor and one I treasure.

[Shade]

The Incidental tarot is a popular new one: http://theincidentaltarot.com/

[Le Fanu]

I'm having a bit of difficulty envisaging "RWS-based but with pips"... isn't that just any deck with non-scenic pips?

[Chiriku]

Originally Posted by Asbestos Mango

I'm actually thinking about getting brave and ordering a TdM, but then I would have to learn the system and I don't know if my aging brain is up for that.

But there isn't a TdM system. The major reason people (non-gaming tarotists, that is) turn to them is precisely because of that! There weren't *known* (must throw in that caveat or risk ruffling feathers) "systems" or even esoteric correspondences until those Continental fellows starting making them up relatively late in tarot history.

There are 1001 ways to read a TdM's or other historical deck's pips, ranging from numerology to scrying the scrollwork and flowery decorations. Any contemporary pip deck would be fair game for the same exact reading style, hence Le Fanu's confusion over your question.

But!

Originally Posted by Shade

The Incidental tarot is a popular new one: http://theincidentaltarot.com/

You take the golden ticket, my friend. I'm buying this one next week after Madame Squee's good enabling and that is the first pips deck I can recall that actually seems "RWS-based." Granted, they are "moody" pips (more illustration provided than just the suit symbols).

Originally Posted by Le Fanu

I'm having a bit of difficulty envisaging "RWS-based but with pips"... isn't that just any deck with non-scenic pips?

Did you go to the Incidental Tarot link above? Believe it or not, it has been done; the Minors have just enough added "moody" illustrations to evoke PCS's scenes. For instance, the 3 of Swords (or equivalent; the suits have been re-titled).

[Chiriku]

But the Majors in the Incidental deviate from RWS. You win some, you lose some.

[LRichard]

Asbestos Mango, however you are planning to use an RWS pips deck, you should be able to do the same with a TdM. The RWS Trumps and Courts are, for the most part, closely based on those of TdM-type decks. It seems to me obvious that the TdM Trumps and Courts show a much greater similarity to those of its close cousin, the RWS, than do the Trumps and Courts of the Incidental Tarot.

[Winterchild]

The Alchemy 1977 has non scenic pips:

http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards...-1977-england/

I am sure there are others but cant think right now....