Stones for chronic pain?

[dawntarot]

Thanks again everyone for your kind and thoughtful responses I will keep you posted with any results.

Warm wishes
Dawn

[Always Wondering]

Originally Posted by dawntarot

Thanks so much for sharing your experience. The link is really useful, I am definitely going to put the recommendations into practise

Thank you also for the encouragement, today has been quite rough and I needed to hear this

Dawn

I hope it helps. I am a little anxious to see what fall brings me, but for now I feel pretty good. Feel free to pm me if you would like extra support.

Hope your days get better.

AW

[MandMaud]

This thread caught my eye though I can't read right through all the replies now, because I have, guess what, chronic pain from one or two things including... fibromyalgia...

Anyway if no one has said so yet, it is NOT psychosomatic - I did think so for years, and I'm sure some doctors use it as a 'long word' for pain they just can't pin down. But it is in fact neurological and there are several (can't remember, could be four or seven) sub-variants of it, differentiated by the balance of different symptoms - pain, fatigue, depression, IBS, etc etc...

One researcher says that it should really be diagnosed by brain scan, and then managed under a rheumatologist. It's not so much damage in the brain (as I remember) but over- and under-functioning in various areas.

Putting the scientists' evidence together with my spiritual take, and making connections where there are officially none, as you do - as I always do, lol - it gets *really* interesting.

I can't look up the references today but PM me if you like and I'll just mention that in the UK, the 4th annual Fibromyalgia Conference is near Chichester next April. I've been to them all, was lucky enough to manage the first. they actually call it 'conference and pamper weekend' and there's a fair sprinkling of healing-type thinkers there. As well as an exhausting programme of sciency and how-to-cope talks.

There's another thread on ocean jasper in the recent posts, funny as it was one I was just looking up before nipping back here to AT.

mm

[dawntarot]

Thank you, MandMaud, for sharing this information. Very interesting as I have never heard of fibromyalgia sub-types before although I am aware there may be a link with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I have been working through "Around the Tarot in 78 Days" by Katz and Goodwin which I am finding profoundly moving on the spiritual level. Like you I am beginning to wonder if there is a possibility that this is a spiritual malaise which has manifested in the body.

As far as my crystal therapy goes, I seem to have hit upon a combination which works well for me! I am using clear quartz points almost daily before I go to bed, as described before I think. This really relaxes me and is improving my sleep and thus I have a lower level of pain. I have also discovered that sometimes the pain will concentrate on a particular point. Placing a crystal on this doesn't help, BUT I have found that placing a lodestone on it does! First I have to check it is the right way up - if it isn't, the intensity of the pain increases. Then I hold a quartz point in each hand as I do at night, and this seems to clear the pain from that point. It almost feels like it's being fixed in place so that the healing can get to it.

I have also been wearing a piece of amethyst on a silver chain around my neck and this seems to be improving my stamina.

I hope this information may be helpful to others who have this condition.
Dawn

[greatdane]

I find useful for quite a few things. Ocean jasper I use for hip pain when I sleep. I put a small flatish piece in a pocket near the hip that bothers me. Rose quartz seems to work well for sinus headache for me, which really surprised me! I think of it as a calming stone, but put on the area of the pain while lying down and the headache I had had for hours just started to go away.

[MandMaud]

Originally Posted by dawntarot

Thank you, MandMaud, for sharing this information. Very interesting as I have never heard of fibromyalgia sub-types before although I am aware there may be a link with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I have been working through "Around the Tarot in 78 Days" by Katz and Goodwin which I am finding profoundly moving on the spiritual level. Like you I am beginning to wonder if there is a possibility that this is a spiritual malaise which has manifested in the body.

As far as my crystal therapy goes, I seem to have hit upon a combination which works well for me! I am using clear quartz points almost daily before I go to bed, as described before I think. This really relaxes me and is improving my sleep and thus I have a lower level of pain. I have also discovered that sometimes the pain will concentrate on a particular point. Placing a crystal on this doesn't help, BUT I have found that placing a lodestone on it does! First I have to check it is the right way up - if it isn't, the intensity of the pain increases. Then I hold a quartz point in each hand as I do at night, and this seems to clear the pain from that point. It almost feels like it's being fixed in place so that the healing can get to it.

I have also been wearing a piece of amethyst on a silver chain around my neck and this seems to be improving my stamina.

I hope this information may be helpful to others who have this condition.
Dawn

I don't really get the link with CFS; I actually met someone on a forum who said she had not fibromyalgia, but a painful form of CFS... no idea how that works!! The sub-types etc really surprised me when I heard of that. The best thing that happened to me at the first conference was seeing brain activity, REAL evidence, indisputable. It transformed the way I thought about it, even though I'd had people say 'That's one of the biggies' (this is people with rheumatoid arthritis and stuff!), somehow I didn't treat it - spiritually I suppose I mean - as a biggie until then. And while your inside is saying 'just pain, not damage', you can't handle it as the major life thing that it really is.

Hope that makes sense...!

I have been sure for a while that it is largely, if not entirely, about energy stuff being thrown around / misplaced... I have learnt SO much in the last ten years or so!

I'll try the lodestone thing if I can find one and I have an amethyst ring, not valuable but old (my grandmother's or earlier), at least someone who knew better than me said it was amethyst although it's an unusually dark/rich colour. Two or three someones in fact. I'll wear that a bit more often... that's set in silver, too. Hm...

I must get over a 'thing' I have against quartz. !!

Here is Fibromyalgia Association: http://www.fmauk.org/ good for some information but there is lots more out there (as well as lots of non-info unfortunately). They're a struggling charity full of enthusiasm! I don't find the website well-enough organised, I get overwhelmed, but they have a forum as well.

mm

[MandMaud]

In case anyone was trying to look up about that conference... I hadn't realised that FMA UK and the charity that do the conference have split apart - it seems to happen with young charities(!) - Anyway the weekend (next April) is here: http://follypogsfibro.org/ and I do recommend it.

[wildchilde]

Originally Posted by MandMaud

This thread caught my eye though I can't read right through all the replies now, because I have, guess what, chronic pain from one or two things including... fibromyalgia...

Anyway if no one has said so yet, it is NOT psychosomatic - I did think so for years, and I'm sure some doctors use it as a 'long word' for pain they just can't pin down. But it is in fact neurological and there are several (can't remember, could be four or seven) sub-variants of it, differentiated by the balance of different symptoms - pain, fatigue, depression, IBS, etc etc...

One researcher says that it should really be diagnosed by brain scan, and then managed under a rheumatologist. It's not so much damage in the brain (as I remember) but over- and under-functioning in various areas.

Putting the scientists' evidence together with my spiritual take, and making connections where there are officially none, as you do - as I always do, lol - it gets *really* interesting.

Thanks for sharing this information, MM, and sorry to hear of your struggles with chronic pain. Like everyone else, I am no "expert" in diagnosing or treating people with crystals but I would like to throw one more possibility into the mix based on my experience with them personally and in use with helping others heal in my Reiki work. I don't know that this would address the pain directly, but based upon the parameters you presented above, I would suggest Magnesite. This stone isn't one of the "pretty" ones and in is often dyed and carved into little figures or beads etc (much like howlite)...however, the original form of Magnesite is actually reminiscent of the brain and one of its most powerful uses is as a brain balancer; it is also very calming, helps the body to release tension, and helps connect your brain to your heart (and higher heart...aka your spiritual system). Like I say, it may not directly deal with the chronic pain, but I feel like it would be extremely useful in dealing with the root causes as defined above.

[MandMaud]

Originally Posted by wildchilde

Thanks for sharing this information, MM, and sorry to hear of your struggles with chronic pain. Like everyone else, I am no "expert" in diagnosing or treating people with crystals but I would like to throw one more possibility into the mix based on my experience with them personally and in use with helping others heal in my Reiki work. I don't know that this would address the pain directly, but based upon the parameters you presented above, I would suggest Magnesite. This stone isn't one of the "pretty" ones and in is often dyed and carved into little figures or beads etc (much like howlite)...however, the original form of Magnesite is actually reminiscent of the brain and one of its most powerful uses is as a brain balancer; it is also very calming, helps the body to release tension, and helps connect your brain to your heart (and higher heart...aka your spiritual system). Like I say, it may not directly deal with the chronic pain, but I feel like it would be extremely useful in dealing with the root causes as defined above.

Thanx Wildchilde - I do have other neurological (brain) things, not that 'They' have found any link at all between my various conditions, but the more deeply I explore spirituality, the more I feel it's all joined up at that level. So yes, magnesite sounds excellent too. I like its look as well, and its texture being like turquoise which I love.

While I'm here I have a minor update, and a question. The question is, since I got carried away and bought half a dozen different crystal pendants, is it better to wear one for several days in a row? Impatience has stopped me doing that, didn't want to wait so long to try each one, and so I've been deciding by 'feel' each morning which to use. So far I haven't worn the same one twice in a row. Is this ridiculous or is it fine?

The feedback is that I'm definitely feeling something with the tourmaline. Even at the optician's, and I hadn't realised I was 'warding her off', but in my eye test I felt less defensive and unheard than ever before. Certainly when I know I need it, wearing it helps. On its cord it hangs about an inch below my heart, is that ok? (Newbie question of course.)

However I'm also sure I can't wear it too much. I had it next to my skin all day Friday and by the evening felt completely spaced. Friday, though, was weird here in lots of ways and not only for me, so I wasn't sure. Didn't dare try again until I wore the black tourmaline a couple of hours at the end of Monday, and then about half an hour Tues morning and again a couple of hours later on. And today, I started in it but by noon began to feel distinctly odd, as before, so I took it off and have only just put it back on a minute ago. I expected to feel over-grounded rather than over-ethered ('spaced' - I hope I'm making sense to someone!) but I'm sure this feeling does go with this stone. Between times I've had it within arm's reach pretty well the whole time but not on my person, seems ok like that but not enough when really needed.

For someone who 'never picks up anything' from crystals I'm rather chuffed.

Any feedback on how I'm going about this, or other advice / tips, very welcome. I'm assuming, I think, that you don't just sit back and wait for the crystal to do all the work... but work with it as you would with a healer for example (which I'm used to doing)?


Thanx!
mm

[wildchilde]

Originally Posted by MandMaud

Thanx Wildchilde - I do have other neurological (brain) things, not that 'They' have found any link at all between my various conditions, but the more deeply I explore spirituality, the more I feel it's all joined up at that level. So yes, magnesite sounds excellent too. I like its look as well, and its texture being like turquoise which I love.

While I'm here I have a minor update, and a question. The question is, since I got carried away and bought half a dozen different crystal pendants, is it better to wear one for several days in a row? Impatience has stopped me doing that, didn't want to wait so long to try each one, and so I've been deciding by 'feel' each morning which to use. So far I haven't worn the same one twice in a row. Is this ridiculous or is it fine?

I like the way natural Magnesite looks too! sometimes it makes me laugh just seeing it because it is so much like a tiny little brain and also it has a tendency to bring the movie Young Frankenstein to mind and the brain from someone named "Abby Normal"

I don't think there is anything wrong with your choosing crystals based on how you and they feel each day. I do this all the time though, so maybe I am biased. LOL Crystals speak to us individually and they will very much let us know when we need them and when we don't, IMNSHO.

Originally Posted by MandMaud

The feedback is that I'm definitely feeling something with the tourmaline. Even at the optician's, and I hadn't realised I was 'warding her off', but in my eye test I felt less defensive and unheard than ever before. Certainly when I know I need it, wearing it helps. On its cord it hangs about an inch below my heart, is that ok? (Newbie question of course.)

However I'm also sure I can't wear it too much. I had it next to my skin all day Friday and by the evening felt completely spaced. Friday, though, was weird here in lots of ways and not only for me, so I wasn't sure. Didn't dare try again until I wore the black tourmaline a couple of hours at the end of Monday, and then about half an hour Tues morning and again a couple of hours later on. And today, I started in it but by noon began to feel distinctly odd, as before, so I took it off and have only just put it back on a minute ago. I expected to feel over-grounded rather than over-ethered ('spaced' - I hope I'm making sense to someone!) but I'm sure this feeling does go with this stone. Between times I've had it within arm's reach pretty well the whole time but not on my person, seems ok like that but not enough when really needed.

well, that's great that you can tell the difference when wearing the tourmaline. I wonder if you need to cleanse the crystal between wearing in a manner that is comfortable for you (i.e. running under water, leaving in sunlight, smudging with sage, etc). I know many people say tourm does not need to be cleansed, but I think if you are having that kind of reaction that maybe you should consider it. I am one of the people who can't ever seem to get enough black tourmaline, so I may not be the best person to give you tips on how to handle too much of it.

I do feel compelled to ask if you are sure this is black tourmaline and not Dravite (or brown tourmaline). The reason I ask is that the brown if polished can seem to be black tourm but it does have a very different feel to it, and I have the same sort of response to it that you described above. I can only wear it for a short period before I start feeling wonky, but the black has nothing but positive affect for me. So this was just a thought to determine for sure it is black and not brown. Of course, you could be a person that just doesn't need black tourm on or around you all the time and there is nothing wrong with that. I would say just continue to be aware of it and monitor your responses to know when you might need to "take a break" from it.

Meanwhile, if you or Dawntarot give any of the suggestions a try regarding the chronic pain, I am sure we would all love to hear about the results.