any one know how?

[Amanda_04]

Yes, I use this site once in a while and have it saved to my favorites. It's convenient when I've noticed a particular zodiac sign coming in to play in a reading. But mostly I use minors for timing these days... wands=days, cups=weeks, swords=months, pentacles=years.

[nisaba]

Originally Posted by louiseb

so modest lol. yes i saw this when i was searching for a timing spread, but why a deck i dont use this i dont understand. would be lovely to learn from you nisba lol
louise

Because if you use a deck that you are used to reading with, then it will tend to try and talk about the circumstances rather than just give you a flat timing. And when you already have another deck in the reading talking about the circumstances, you don't need your one-card pull to get chatty - you just want it to give you a time-interval.

[rwcarter]

Originally Posted by louiseb

I came up with this paul barlow timing chart on this web site http://supertarot.co.uk/astrology/timing.htm has anyone used this method of timing ect, if so how does this work, i cannot see how this works could some one explain this to me please.

I understand most of what's on Paul's page above, but the Planetary Hours leaves me completely . Anyone know how to read that table? If one is asking when on a particular day something will happen, it looks like there are multiple time possibilities?

[Amanda_04]

Originally Posted by rwcarter

I understand most of what's on Paul's page above, but the Planetary Hours leaves me completely . Anyone know how to read that table? If one is asking when on a particular day something will happen, it looks like there are multiple time possibilities?

Yes, that's something I've been trying to figure out as well. LOL If someone knows I'd be interested in hearing also.

[louiseb]

Originally Posted by rwcarter

I understand most of what's on Paul's page above, but the Planetary Hours leaves me completely . Anyone know how to read that table? If one is asking when on a particular day something will happen, it looks like there are multiple time possibilities?

i actually added Paul on Skype and although he doesn't actually explain fully the meaning of the charts, either because im too stupid to understand or he doesn't really want to give out his information lol. try adding him and he will talk to you for hours believe me. Maybe he can explain the planetary Hours to you. I still cannot get the hang of the chart, he did try to explain to me but very one worded sentences lol all he did say is that we use the full 78 cards, im still not sure how this works.

[rwcarter]

I've done some further research and found this Wikipedia page on Planetary Hours, and I think I'm starting to understand it. Once you've used Astrology to determine what day something is likely to happen, you can then use the Planetary Hours to determine the hour something is likely to happen.

So if you've determined that something is likely to happen on Wednesday because the Magician card turned up, you can then see which planetary hours during that day the event is likely to happen. And if you pull the Wheel of Fortune as the Planetary Hour, that means that the event will happen during a Jupiter hour on Wednesday, which according to Paul's chart would be 9 PM, 4 AM, 11 AM or 6 PM.

What still isn't clear is whether when trying to determine planetary days and hours, if only the 7 Planetary Day cards (Sun for Sunday, High Priestess for Monday, Tower for Tuesday, Magician for Wednesday, Wheel for Thursday, Empress for Friday, and World for Saturday) are used, if the Planetary Day cards and the Majors they rule are used or if the entire deck is used.

I could see the Planetary Day cards and the Majors they rule being used because, for example, the Emperor is ruled by Mars, so if the Emperor appeared, that would mean Tuesday for a day or a Mars hour during a particular day. (As the Magician and the Empress each rule two signs, that would be 16 of the 22 Majors being used. So if one used all of the Majors and pulled one that wasn't associated with a Planetary Day or Hour, I guess the tarot would be saying that the specific day/hour couldn't be determined.)

But if you use the entire deck, then things become more confusing. If I pulled the 7 Wands as when something is going to happen and I'm using the Golden Dawn Astrological Assignments, then that means Aug 12-22, 2013, which is an 11 day period. Then if I picked the 6 Pentacles as the day, that would be a Venus day or Friday. There's only one Friday in that period, so it would be Friday Aug 16th, 2013. Then if I picked the 2 Cups as the Planetary Hour, that would be a Moon Hour on a Friday or 1 AM, 8 AM, 3 PM or 10 PM on Friday Aug 16th, 2013. So if I only pull Pips, things make sense/are easy.

As general time frames, the Aces and Pages represent a season while the Knights, Queens and Kings represent a quarter of a season. No problem there. But if you pick an Ace or Page as a day, as they represent an entire season, they are associated with different days. And the rest of the Courts span two ruler cards, so they may be associated with zero, one or two days.

Here are the associations for the Courts and Aces :

• The Ace/Page Pentacles would be associated with Tuesday (Mars), Friday (Venus) or Wednesday (Mercury)
• The Ace/Page Wands would be associated with Monday (Moon), Sunday (Sun) or Wednesday (Mercury)
• The Ace/Page Cups would be associated with a Friday (Venus) or Thursday (Wheel) as there is no Pluto day
• The Ace/Page Swords would be associated with Saturday (World) as there are no Uranus or Neptune days
• Queen Wands would be associated with Tuesday (Mars) as there is no Neptune day
• Knight Pentacles would be associated with Tuesday (Mars) or Friday (Venus)
• King Swords would be associated with Friday (Venus) or Wednesday (Mercury)
• Queen Cups would be associated with Wednesday (Mercury) or Monday (Moon)
• Knight Wands would be associated with Monday (Moon) or Sunday (Sun)
• King Pentacles would be associated with Sunday (Sun) or Wednesday (Mercury)
• Queen Swords would be associated with Wednesday (Mercury) or Friday (Venus)
• Knight Cups would be associated with Friday (Venus) as there is no Pluto Day
• King Wands would be associated with Thursday (Jupiter) as there is no Pluto Day
• Queen Pentacles would be associated with Thursday (Jupiter) as there is no Saturn Day
• Knight Swords has no associations as there are no Saturn or Uranus Days (I guess this would represent "unknown" as Planetary Day or Hour)
• King Cups has no associations as there are no Uranus or Neptune Days (I guess this would represent "unknown" as Planetary Day or Hour)

Looking at three random cards as time frame, Planetary Day and Planetary Hour, I have Temperance, 3 Wands and the Sun. Temperance represents the period Nov 23rd - Dec 21st 2012. The 3 Wands as Planetary Day is associated with Mars, so a Tuesday (Nov 27th, Dec 4th, Dec 11th or Dec 18th). And the Sun as Planetary Hour is a Sun Hour on Tuesday (7 AM, 2 PM, or 9 PM). So the answer is one of three hours on one of four days or 12 potential time frames.

Looking at another combination, which contains an unassociated Major and a multiply-associated Ace, I have Justice, Hanged Man and Ace Swords. Justice as time frame is Sep 23 - Oct 22, 2012. There is no Hanged Man Planetary Day, so the time frame can't be drilled down any further.

If I look at Hanged Man, Ace Swords and 6 Swords though, the Hanged Man represents Feb 19 - Mar 20, 2013. The Ace Swords as Planetary Day is a Saturday. The 6 Swords as Planetary Hour is a Uranus Hour, of which there isn't one, so the time frame can't be drilled down any further.

One last triplet to look at would be Moon, Ace Pentacles, Page Wands. So the Moon represents the period Jun 21 - Jul 21, 2013. The Ace Pentacles represents a Tuesday (6/25, 7/2, 7/9 or 7/16), Friday (6/21, 6/28, 7/5, 7/12, or 7/19) or Wednesday (6/26, 7/3, 7/10 or 7/17). And the Page Wands represents a Moon, Sun or Mercury Hour on those days or:

• Moon Hour on Tuesday - 3 AM, 10 AM, 5 PM, midnight
• Sun Hour on Tuesday - 7 AM, 2 PM, 9 PM
• Mercury Hour on Tuesday - 2 AM, 9 AM, 4 PM, 11 PM
• Moon Hour on Friday - 1 AM, 8 AM, 3 PM, 10 PM
• Sun Hour on Friday - 5 AM, noon, 7 PM
• Mercury Hour on Friday - 7 AM, 2 PM, 9 PM
• Moon Hour on Wednesday - 7 AM, 2 PM, 9 PM
• Sun Hour on Wednesday - 4 AM, 11 AM, 6 PM
• Mercury Hour on Wednesday - 6 AM, 1 PM, 8 PM

That's 130 possible times an event could happen using the entire deck. Crazy doesn't even begin to come close to what that is as a prediction!

So I guess I've worked it out for myself that one should only use:

• the 7 (or 16) Majors that have direct associations to the Planetary Days and Hours
• all 22 Majors so that you can also have some "cannot be answered" cards
• all 22 Majors plus the pips 2-10 so you can have more "cannot be answered" cards (Judgement, Death, Fool, Star, Hanged Man, Moon, 2-4 Pentacles, 5-7 Swords and 8-10 Cups)

Rodney

[rwcarter]

I've synopsized my understanding to date of Planetary Days and Hours into the following table (which I've saved as a jpg so everyone should be able to see it).

[CelestialHorse]

What are the trump cards? o_O Never heard of that. I will have to look up for what card has astrological sign to it I do believe that swords are winter,cups are fall, wands are summer and pentacles are spring but interesting how everyone has their own guess. (Are Pentacles generally like the signs that are in spring like Piceses to Geminis?)

[gregory]

Trump cards are the majors. Originally known as triomphes (which translates as - trumps or triumphs.)

[RunningWild]

I'd be interested to know if anyone has tried Paul's method and to find out how it panned out.
I've looked at it before and it seems like a lot of hard work.

Thanks, Rodney, for the jpg and for simplifying it some!