Tower+3/Wands=Betting your Life on it?

[liberated inferno]

Hey guys I was wondering what are your thoughts on this combo as an outcome to a relationship question. The tower is clarified by the 3/Wands.

I'm thinking that the significant changes brought on by the Tower are driven by the person in the 3/Wands betting their life on this decision. In an almost, "I've got nothing to lose" kind of way. He placed his bets, he's invested in them and he's going to follow through come hell or high water.

Any other suggestions or perspectives?

[oddsoul]

Hi liberated inferno! I see the 3/Wands in this being more of a "wait and see" sort of card. After the Tower has fallen, it indicates wanting to see how things turn out before taking action, or that they maybe should wait and see before taking action.

[Scibility]

This may be an unconventional way of looking at it: The Tower typically can be seen as a sudden or unexpected event that can change the way you view things.

It is clarified by the 3 of wands which I like to think of as representing anticipation of something that you might have some kind of preconceived notion about (but are waiting confirmation on).

Could this combination be telling you that whatever is about to happen may confirm something that you had some sense of even if the actual occurrence of the event comes as a surprise? In other words, sort of like "seeing the bigger picture".

Does that make any sense? Just a thought.

P.S. on another note, I like to see the numerological aspect. It helps a lot sometimes. For ME 7 = completion, wisdom, perfection 3 = expansion, wisdom, and more minor states of completion. To me there seems to be a correlation of some sort between the two.

Hope that helps!

[liberated inferno]

Originally Posted by oddsoul

Hi liberated inferno! I see the 3/Wands in this being more of a "wait and see" sort of card. After the Tower has fallen, it indicates wanting to see how things turn out before taking action, or that they maybe should wait and see before taking action.

Hey odd soul, thanks for your perspective. I guess I'm trying to understand how does the clarifier work here: is the Tower outcome a result of the wait and see or is the wait and see because of the the Tower? And why wait and see when the "damage" has been done and everything is in pieces? Isn't there an investment in the 3/Wands? Wouldn't you know by the Tower if the investment was worth it being that the Tower breaks down what isn't real to make room to build what is?

I guess I'm stuck at why "wait and see" when the Tower has done its job, what is there to wait for?

Just questions that popped into my head.

[liberated inferno]

Originally Posted by Scibility

This may be an unconventional way of looking at it: The Tower typically can be seen as a sudden or unexpected event that can change the way you view things.

It is clarified by the 3 of wands which I like to think of as representing anticipation of something that you might have some kind of preconceived notion about (but are waiting confirmation on).

Could this combination be telling you that whatever is about to happen may confirm something that you had some sense of even if the actual occurrence of the event comes as a surprise? In other words, sort of like "seeing the bigger picture".

Does that make any sense? Just a thought.

P.S. on another note, I like to see the numerological aspect. It helps a lot sometimes. For ME 7 = completion, wisdom, perfection 3 = expansion, wisdom, and more minor states of completion. To me there seems to be a correlation of some sort between the two.

Hope that helps!

Interesting perspective on the 3/Wands as "waiting for confirmation" on something. That's a good way of looking at it. This card doesn't seem like a roll of the dice kind of card. It seems to be a something that represents a lot of thought and consideration being placed somewhere. At least, enough consideration to send it out to sea hoping for its return.

Which brings me to my confusion about it being paired with the Tower which while a necessary occurrence, comes so swiftly and suddenly, resulting in a shocking experience. Compared with the initial, thoughtful investment in the 3/Wands, it just throws me for a loop.

I'm also wondering if this combo being the outcome of the relationship, will be brought on by one party or will hit them both equally. Seeing your numerological explanation leads me to believe this will hit them both.

[oddsoul]

Originally Posted by liberated inferno

Hey odd soul, thanks for your perspective. I guess I'm trying to understand how does the clarifier work here: is the Tower outcome a result of the wait and see or is the wait and see because of the the Tower? And why wait and see when the "damage" has been done and everything is in pieces? Isn't there an investment in the 3/Wands? Wouldn't you know by the Tower if the investment was worth it being that the Tower breaks down what isn't real to make room to build what is?

I guess I'm stuck at why "wait and see" when the Tower has done its job, what is there to wait for?

Just questions that popped into my head.

You pose some challenging questions! I had to take some time to think about it before answering. I had been assuming that since you drew the Tower first and then the 3/Wands that the Tower would come first in the timeline, and then the 3/Wands. But after thinking about it, I realize that just because the card is drawn 2nd doesn't mean it comes after the first one on the timeline! (Duh!!)

And as it turns out, it actually does make a lot more sense of the 3/Wands comes before the Tower, as you suggest. The 3/Wands is still the "wait and see" card for me, but it also comes with some sort of expectations, like the investment you refer to. 3/Wands for me is about having done something (like make an investment) and then waiting to find out the results, waiting to reap the rewards (or the return on the investment). You might feel pleased because the first of the results are coming back in your favor, but the card advises you to hold off on celebration until all of the results are in. In summation, it's a card about waiting.

So in this context, combined with the Tower, I would (re)interpret it as you (or the other person in the relationship, or both of you) waiting for something to come back to you. Seeing that it's a relationship reading, it could be referring to the emotion you've put into it, or the passion, and you have certain expectations on what you will get back. But then the Tower implies that what you get back won't be what you expected at all, and it will shake you to your core.

(((What I HAD been seeing, with the thoughts that the Tower event came before 3/Wands, was that the Tower had done its job and brought significant changes, or shook you to the core, and the 3/Wands was a pause afterwards, trying to get your bearings after the Tower has brought certain things to light. Maybe waiting to see what others will do once these things are brought to light. Maybe even advising you not to take the action that you want to upon learning what the Tower has to show you. (For example, if it were indicating that you'd get bad news that would shake you to the core, you might want to take action against whoever/whatever that bad news is about, but it wouldn't be a good idea.) But I still think the above interpretation makes a lot more sense, and there was something bothering me about this one after I considered your questions!)))

Hope this helps!

[liberated inferno]

Originally Posted by oddsoul

You pose some challenging questions! I had to take some time to think about it before answering. I had been assuming that since you drew the Tower first and then the 3/Wands that the Tower would come first in the timeline, and then the 3/Wands. But after thinking about it, I realize that just because the card is drawn 2nd doesn't mean it comes after the first one on the timeline! (Duh!!)

And as it turns out, it actually does make a lot more sense of the 3/Wands comes before the Tower, as you suggest. The 3/Wands is still the "wait and see" card for me, but it also comes with some sort of expectations, like the investment you refer to. 3/Wands for me is about having done something (like make an investment) and then waiting to find out the results, waiting to reap the rewards (or the return on the investment). You might feel pleased because the first of the results are coming back in your favor, but the card advises you to hold off on celebration until all of the results are in. In summation, it's a card about waiting.

So in this context, combined with the Tower, I would (re)interpret it as you (or the other person in the relationship, or both of you) waiting for something to come back to you. Seeing that it's a relationship reading, it could be referring to the emotion you've put into it, or the passion, and you have certain expectations on what you will get back. But then the Tower implies that what you get back won't be what you expected at all, and it will shake you to your core.

(((What I HAD been seeing, with the thoughts that the Tower event came before 3/Wands, was that the Tower had done its job and brought significant changes, or shook you to the core, and the 3/Wands was a pause afterwards, trying to get your bearings after the Tower has brought certain things to light. Maybe waiting to see what others will do once these things are brought to light. Maybe even advising you not to take the action that you want to upon learning what the Tower has to show you. (For example, if it were indicating that you'd get bad news that would shake you to the core, you might want to take action against whoever/whatever that bad news is about, but it wouldn't be a good idea.) But I still think the above interpretation makes a lot more sense, and there was something bothering me about this one after I considered your questions!)))

Hope this helps!

Definitely makes sense! I was always confused about clarifiers and how they should be read in context with the card in question. I like to pull a clarifier especially in the case of a Major coming in the outcome position.

But yes, it seems to be a time for the people in the relationship to brace themselves, although of course we as humans like to think the worse before we think of the best. So, I will explore the Tower further in this context. It's shocking in itself to see a minor contribute to such a Major outcome as well.

Thanks!

[liberated inferno]

Originally Posted by oddsoul

You pose some challenging questions! I had to take some time to think about it before answering. I had been assuming that since you drew the Tower first and then the 3/Wands that the Tower would come first in the timeline, and then the 3/Wands. But after thinking about it, I realize that just because the card is drawn 2nd doesn't mean it comes after the first one on the timeline! (Duh!!)

And as it turns out, it actually does make a lot more sense of the 3/Wands comes before the Tower, as you suggest. The 3/Wands is still the "wait and see" card for me, but it also comes with some sort of expectations, like the investment you refer to. 3/Wands for me is about having done something (like make an investment) and then waiting to find out the results, waiting to reap the rewards (or the return on the investment). You might feel pleased because the first of the results are coming back in your favor, but the card advises you to hold off on celebration until all of the results are in. In summation, it's a card about waiting.

So in this context, combined with the Tower, I would (re)interpret it as you (or the other person in the relationship, or both of you) waiting for something to come back to you. Seeing that it's a relationship reading, it could be referring to the emotion you've put into it, or the passion, and you have certain expectations on what you will get back. But then the Tower implies that what you get back won't be what you expected at all, and it will shake you to your core.

(((What I HAD been seeing, with the thoughts that the Tower event came before 3/Wands, was that the Tower had done its job and brought significant changes, or shook you to the core, and the 3/Wands was a pause afterwards, trying to get your bearings after the Tower has brought certain things to light. Maybe waiting to see what others will do once these things are brought to light. Maybe even advising you not to take the action that you want to upon learning what the Tower has to show you. (For example, if it were indicating that you'd get bad news that would shake you to the core, you might want to take action against whoever/whatever that bad news is about, but it wouldn't be a good idea.) But I still think the above interpretation makes a lot more sense, and there was something bothering me about this one after I considered your questions!)))

Hope this helps!

OKAY well you were right on both fronts. I just recently discovered some shocking news concerning the person in question. I'm still in a state of shock to do anything about since it has nothing to do with me PERSONALLY (meaning the shock wasn't directed at me), but being that I felt connected to this person emotionally, the Tower incident hit me hard.

I still don't know how I truly feel about it, there are so many emotions, but as you say, there is a definite way and see FROM A DISTANCE thing going on from my end, as this person does NOT know that I know about these shocking events.