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mercenary30 · 02-12-2004

Welcome to ATF.

I have read that book and I like it very much. It helped with my understanding of those elusive court cards in readings. I am sure you will enjoy the things you learn from this site!

Looking forward to seeing you around!!!

WhiteRaven · 03-12-2004

ah..another number bug! lol

Welcome to AT! There is a section around here for Numerology if your interests resurface. I'm sure you would be able to contribute quite a bit of knowledge for those that are learning.

I'm looking forward to seeing you around the forums.

Enjoy!

ElfantPup · 03-12-2004

Thanks All for your warm welcomes and suggestions.

Dave(dadsnook2000) - what you wrote was what I needed to read. I opened myself up to finding out WHY wands are associated with fire and swords with air, and I found a pretty good explanation. I don't remember where now because I've been all over the place looking for answers. The gist of it was: air is associated with the intellect, thoughts and communication, which I accept, and fire is associated with passions and libidinal instincts. Air was further linked to a more learned class of people that includes knights, who carry swords. Fire was linked with the medeival peasant class, and this helped me understand what wands ARE, which may have been what was really at the heart of the issue. I retrained myself to think of wands as sticks that can be used as walking sticks, torches, firewood, weapons, etc. I don't know if that's what most people think wands are, but that helps me for now.

Souljourney - I kept wanting to say wands are air, and then I decided that fire is really not that elemental, so like you, I thought, why aren't swords metal? But then I thought, is metal just a part of Earth? And I reasoned this way until my head hurt. Then I decided I'd find a way to understand it the way most other Tarotists do. I don't want to be an oddball dissenter as a beginner... maybe later, though

contradiction · 03-12-2004

we all become dissenters sooner or later, might as well be sooner.

souljourney · 04-12-2004

ElfantPup I like the logic you used. I'll probably need to keep it in mind. I talked with a friend last night, who studied the Acupuncture stuff with me and he said at one point he tried to relate their 5-element system to the 4 elements of Tarot/Paganism...his conclusion....Don't bother. Just let them be separate. LOL I've been looking at threads about different decks. So many people get a different feel from each one that the same card in 5 different decks could have someone different meanings. So I think much of it really is that deck and it's "personality".

And as for dissenting sooner or later, why does it not surprise me that someone with the nick "contradiction" would vote for sooner. LOL. Love it.

Majecot · 04-12-2004

Hi ElfantPup

Welcome to AT. Sounds like your on the path to some serious tarot study. I look forward to seeing you around.

**Tarot Sparrow** · 04-12-2004

Welcome! There are many people who have trouble accepting interchanging Swords and Wands, but it's best not to let it get to you and just read them in your own way.

mysticmoon · 05-12-2004

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Originally Posted by ElfantPup

Hi!

I'm new to Tarot. I haven't owned a Tarot deck before, but I ordered one (Sharman-Caselli) yesterday morning after browsing the decks and other info on this site a little. I also ordered "The Tarot Court Cards: Archetypal Patterns of Relatiionship in the Minor Arcana" by Kate Warwick-Smith. Has anyone read it?

ElfantPup

Hi ElfantPup,

Welcome to AT! Feel at home here..

mysticmoon

MAR · 22-12-2004

Welcome to AT and nice to meet you!

mercenary30 Citizen Join Date: 19 Aug 2003 Location: MIles Under the SurfAce Posts: 3,963	ElfantPup Welcome to ATF. I have read that book and I like it very much. It helped with my understanding of those elusive court cards in readings. I am sure you will enjoy the things you learn from this site! Looking forward to seeing you around!!! __________________ I am not young enough to know everything. - Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)

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WhiteRaven Citizen Join Date: 12 Oct 2004 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 5,704	ah..another number bug! lol Welcome to AT! There is a section around here for Numerology if your interests resurface. I'm sure you would be able to contribute quite a bit of knowledge for those that are learning. I'm looking forward to seeing you around the forums. Enjoy! __________________ Blessings, »§«:´`³¤³´`:»§«WhiteRaven»§«:´`³¤³´`:»§« "And forget not that the earth delights to feel your bare feet and the winds long to play with your hair." ~Kahlil Gibran~

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contradiction Citizen Join Date: 28 Nov 2004 Location: ms us Posts: 674	lol we all become dissenters sooner or later, might as well be sooner. __________________ i, by nature am a contradiction to myself.

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MAR Citizen Join Date: 20 Jan 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1,013	Welcome to AT and nice to meet you! __________________ "It's hard to find the balance when you are in love. You're lost in the middle cause you have to decide between mind & heart. Heart is the engine of your body but Brain is the engine of life." Enigma

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ElfantPup Resident Join Date: 01 Dec 2004 Location: Virginia, United States Posts: 22	Thanks All for your warm welcomes and suggestions. Dave(dadsnook2000) - what you wrote was what I needed to read. I opened myself up to finding out WHY wands are associated with fire and swords with air, and I found a pretty good explanation. I don't remember where now because I've been all over the place looking for answers. The gist of it was: air is associated with the intellect, thoughts and communication, which I accept, and fire is associated with passions and libidinal instincts. Air was further linked to a more learned class of people that includes knights, who carry swords. Fire was linked with the medeival peasant class, and this helped me understand what wands ARE, which may have been what was really at the heart of the issue. I retrained myself to think of wands as sticks that can be used as walking sticks, torches, firewood, weapons, etc. I don't know if that's what most people think wands are, but that helps me for now. Souljourney - I kept wanting to say wands are air, and then I decided that fire is really not that elemental, so like you, I thought, why aren't swords metal? But then I thought, is metal just a part of Earth? And I reasoned this way until my head hurt. Then I decided I'd find a way to understand it the way most other Tarotists do. I don't want to be an oddball dissenter as a beginner... maybe later, though

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souljourney Citizen Join Date: 29 Nov 2004 Location: Kansas City, USA Posts: 1,869	ElfantPup I like the logic you used. I'll probably need to keep it in mind. I talked with a friend last night, who studied the Acupuncture stuff with me and he said at one point he tried to relate their 5-element system to the 4 elements of Tarot/Paganism...his conclusion....Don't bother. Just let them be separate. LOL I've been looking at threads about different decks. So many people get a different feel from each one that the same card in 5 different decks could have someone different meanings. So I think much of it really is that deck and it's "personality". And as for dissenting sooner or later, why does it not surprise me that someone with the nick "contradiction" would vote for sooner. LOL. Love it.

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Majecot Citizen Join Date: 15 Oct 2003 Location: Cleverly pretending to reside in the real world - Posts: 3,384	Hi ElfantPup Welcome to AT. Sounds like your on the path to some serious tarot study. I look forward to seeing you around.

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Tarot Sparrow From the spruce trees Join Date: 20 Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 3,304	Welcome! There are many people who have trouble accepting interchanging Swords and Wands, but it's best not to let it get to you and just read them in your own way.

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