a 5000 years old prehistoric tarot oracle

[Dark Inquisitor]

Originally Posted by Lillie

Forget it, I don't want to argue about stonehenge.
I don't care, they can knock it down, save me the arguments and the petrol.

I suppose now Stonehenge is clutter too ?

I like your ideas Lien Shan. It pays to think big.

[HudsonGray]

Lillie, I thought they didn't allow people behind the fence anymore. Did they change that?

[Lillie]

Originally Posted by Dark Inquisitor

I suppose now Stonehenge is clutter too ?

eh? What does that mean?

Hudson Grey.
They open it for the solstice (or have for the last half dozen years.)
As many police as people.
Then they kick you out soon as they can.
He always wants to go. And I say no out of spite and irritation. (he used to go every year, before the fences and stuff. Until the bean fields.)
We went and saw it once. 2001, I think.
It's only going to be the same. Wait in the cold, meet people I really don't want to see, sun comes up (or not if it's cloudy) get kicked out by the police, go home.

The rest of the year you have to pay to get in, and even then you can't go near.

[HudsonGray]

It's too bad. I saw a photo of it, as viewed from the air and the fencing keeps people so far away it hardly seems worth the trip. I'm guessing people were spray painting graffiti on the stones or something. It's not like they could push the things over.

[Lillie]

No, it was nothing like that. Although English Heritage did always (and still does) talk about damage to the site.

What was happening during the 70's and into the early 80's was that bunches of people in vans and busses and stuff would go and stay there, especially around the summer solstice. Hippies, new age travellers and stuff.
They would have the 'stonehenge free festival' and wouldn't leave for ages.

So, the police started shifting them, moving them on and arresting them. All that.
It became an anual event.
there were helicopters in the air, army on standby and razor wire around the stones to stop people getting near. (they even talked about digging ditches around the stones to stop people. Talk about damage!)
It became something of a cause celebre on both sides. The government wouldn't back down, couldn't be seen to back down, and nor would the hippies.

It all ended up with the famous 'battle of the bean fields' where police attacked travellers, smashing vehicles (homes to many of the people living in them), beating women with batons, dragging screaming children out of their mothers arms so they could club the mother to the ground.

All this is on film. I exaggerate none of it.
There was a real stink about police brutality at the time.

Anyhow, after that they got injunctions on the main ring leaders, and all that and totally closed off the site to just about everyone.

But in 2000 (or so) they reopened it at the solstice. And I don't know why.
I have been told it was because the old injunctions had expired, and rather than have it all start over they would allow something they could control.

And they do control it. Though every year they allow it it threatens to get out of hand.
Every year they talk about not allowing it.
Every year someone or other threatens to bring a crew and start up the whole week long (totally illegal) festival thing again.
The police presence is always massive.

And that's it.
What happened and how it stands.
The short version, without going into the ins and outs of the whole ownership thing. (which is a story in itself!)

I don't know if they will open it this year.

This is way of the topic of the thread, and I'm sorry.
It was brought up by a casual comment of mine whilst musing aloud to myself. But it is an interesting story.

[Lien Shan]

Originally Posted by Dark Inquisitor

I like your ideas Lien Shan. It pays to think big.

Thanks I investigate from the phases of the moon angle:

"the earliest evidence for any activity in the area relates to a row of post-holes aligned in an East-West direction, which were discovered by excavations in 1966 and 1988, in what is now the Stonehenge car park. Dated by a scientific team put together by English Heritage, the spread of dates for these postholes is truly staggering. The dates are statistically arranged into two groups, 8500-7650 cal BC, and 7500-6700 cal BC"

This tells me, that Stonehenge I was build on traditionally "holy ground". The direction of the northeast entrance tells me, that it was build according to the moon. What differs my thoughts from others in this connection is, that I think they worshiped phases of the moon like they did 500 years later in Hermopolis (the Ogdoad) and 1000 years later in Xia (the Yarrowstalk Oracle).

Others investigating Stonehenge I look at the construction as a tool to predict moon elipses.

I look at it as a functional tide table build on holy ground. To people back in olden days the floodcreating power of the moon must have been pure magic. Ebb and flood move backwards in time of the day about one hour a day. Ther counting was dividing a day into 8 phases: Every phase of the moon, the flood moves one phase of a day back in time of the day.

There are 56 possibilities were the 8 phases of the moon and the 8 phases of the day are different. There are 8 possibilities were they are alike. The 56 aubreyholes are found, but some BIG stones are now standing, where it was natural to dig the 8 "missing" holes in the middle?

My "research" method is to compare the knowledge of Stonehenge I, the Ogdoad and the Yarrowstalk Oracle. They are problably not connected, but are each ther way expressing a shamanic "phases of the moon religion" of the late stone age people.