Catelin Geofroy, 1557, Lyons

coredil

Swiss TdM?

le pendu said:
One of the most intersting cards is the Hanged Man. It is so similar to the "Swiss" TdM that I have to wonder how the pattern was passed on to the Swiss.
Could you please explain what is the "Swiss" TdM and where do the scan come from?
Sorry for my ignorance, but beside of the Claude Burdel deck I was not able to find a TdM deck with the mention "Swiss".

Best regards
 

Moonbow

Hi coredil

The Swiss TdM I believe are called Schaffhouse, you may have more luck searching under that.

The Tarot Classic deck is also considered a Schaffhouse and one of the telling features seems to be that the Hanged Man has both feet tied instead of one. There are, of course other recognisable features of these decks and I'm sure someone else will come along and tell you more about them.
 

kwaw

Look also at the hands of the Pope, they are marked with a rouelle, as well as being the the badge of the Jew, it also was the mark of the devil, here on the Pope, symbol of anti-christ?

The hanged man is also imo clearly modeled upon images of Jewish executions:
http://www.geocities.com/cartedatri...ManGeoffroy.jpg

The woodcuts illustrated in the 'Jews in Christian Art:
an illustrated history' by Heinz Schreckenberg can be found online here:


Jewish Execution
http://www.geocities.com/cartedatri...hExecution.html

There are also some images from other sources here:

(The head/face on this one looks very similar to me to the head and face of Le Pendu more common in TdM decks)
Hans von Judmann zu Affeking Jewish Execution caricature (1490)
http://www.geocities.com/cartedatri...ecution1490.jpg

Illustration of the Hanged Jew Ulmann from
"Ein Schoen Christlich new Spil vonKinderzucht" (1573)
http://www.geocities.com/cartedatri...ecution1573.jpg

(The following one show Jews being hung by one leg as is more common witht the TdM pattern)
"Jewish Execution" (1607) from the Jewish Encyclopedia
http://www.geocities.com/cartedatri...ecution1607.jpg

Kwaw
(Above images made available online courtesy of Michael Hurst: Thanks Micheal).
 

kwaw

XVI - If reformist content, then fiddling while Rome burns, the fall of Babylon/Rome?

Kwaw
 

jmd

I was again looking at these cards last night and noted some peculiar features about their numbering:

The first is that, unlike four (IIII) or fourteen (XIIII) that each uses the more standard additive form, the Hermit uses the subtractive Roman (IX).

The next, and quite unusual for the time, is that the cards appear to be designed with numbering, rather than having these as possibly added at a later date.

And the third is that the cards are obviously intended to be used with possibility of coming out in play in a reversed presentation, as each card has its numbering on each side of the card, rotated 180°.

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The Jewish emblem of dough-nut (equivalent to other symbols required to be worn by Jews at various times in European history) on the Pope's glove already being noted by kwaw, it may simply represent the first Bishop of Rome, St Peter himself.

What struck me most last night was the apparent age of the charioteer. Perhaps because of the post I recently made in the History section on the cardinal virtue of Wisdom/Prudence, his apparent aged look seemed more a reflection of that connection than the 'Victorious Commander' one has virtually come to expect of a character with more youthful Martian qualities.