Exploring the Cary Sheet

kwaw

firemaiden said:
As for the two jars pouring water, one very interesting thing Gebellin pointed out, in his bizarre attribution of the Marseille Étoile to the Dog Star Sirius or La Canicule, is the idea that the two flasks pouring water into the stream represent the flooding of the Nile by Isis.

Aquarius is also seen as the source of all water?

Although these images are not numbered, if nonetheless it may have been considered 17th in the series, it may be relevant the biblical flood began and ended on the 17th of the month.

jmd said:
I don't think that there is any question that the depiction of a (or many) fish(es) would be appropriate within the image.

I was responding to what you wrote in an earlier post which I read as a statement that you saw no reason why there should be a fish ~

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I have at times also played with the possibility of there being fish-tails showing in the card, but have frankly never found the suggestion likely, and that for lack of reason and lack of clear detail
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and so relating the many reasons (astrological, numerological, christological) ~ sorry for the misunderstanding and stating the obvious:)

Why it looks like a fish I agree it could be a crevice, however the detail is to poor to be certain ~ perhaps it would be clearer on the actual card or perhaps not, from the detail we have access to it is impossible to say; I am not stating it is one or the other, just exploring if it is a fish what is the relevance.

Kwaw
 

kwaw

Umbrae said:
Dearest Firemaiden...

There's a problem.

Sirius, appears in the constellation Canis Major - not Aquarius.

However Sirius is equated with the flooding of the Nile (pre-Aswaan Dam)...

Egyptians viewed Sirius as a symbol of power and will, inner strength and purpose, and symbolizes one who has unified their higher and lower consciousness.

The two were connected: The flooding was connected with Sirius, whose heliacal rising c.3000 BC in the predawn sky around June marked the beginning of the annual Nile River flood, opposite the heliacal rising of Sirius Aquarius would be setting ~ its 'falling' with the rising of sirius connected with the 'pouring' of the flood; so Aqaurius was connected with the Nile by the Egyptians possibly because it was in the night sky during the period of the flood. According to Pindar Aquarius (personified as Ganymede) symbolized "the genius of the fountains of the Nile, the life-giving waters of the earth."

Kwaw
 

kwaw

firemaiden said:
At least one of them shows it as a boy with a very bright star on his shoulder.

Sadal Melik (säd-al-mel´-ik), or Rucbah, α Aquarii, "the lucky star of the king."
A red star situated in the right shoulder of Aquarius. It culminates Oct. 9th.

Sadalsund, or Sadalsuud (säd-al-sö-öd), β Aquarii, "the luckiest of the lucky."
Pale yellow in color. Situated in the left shoulder of Aquarius. It culminates Sept. 29th.
 

kwaw

firemaiden said:
Okaaaaay, well he is at least kneeling...(Oh - I see it is his job to flood the Nile). (But where are his water jugs?)

The Greeks identified Hapi with Ganymede (identified with Aquarius) who as cup-bearer to the gods personified the fountain of the Nile and caused it to flood each year.

Hapi was adrogynous and is sometimes depicted with breasts; there are examples of him with a vase or two [bas relief island of Philae], sometimes he has a fish on his head (one of his epiteths was lord of fish).

The annual rise of the Nile was celebrated throughout Egypt with festivals in which "statues of Hapi were carried about through the towns and villages that men might honor him and pray to him."

The stars of Hapi / Ganymede / Aquarius rising at sunset synchronised with the overflow of the banks of the Nile.

Kwaw
 

Rosanne

I have just finished an excellent book by Bridget Ann Henisch called The Medieval Calendar Year. I have been thinking about this Cary Yale Sheet.
Could it not be a sheet of trial patterns that were the stock and trade of Calendar, Psalter, Book of Hours, Almanac producers? The cards that we now call Tarot of Marseille, were collections of the most favoured patterns? Patterns were what we call Templates now and answers the uniformity that we see throughout all the cards. In a way patterns were like enlargements of parts of a whole scene. Pattern books, provided emblem design, then some emblems became patterns in themselves. An example would be The Pentecost Lamb and banner; or various swords, crowns, Bishop hats, staffs and much more. This way, paintings of the seasons would have a recognisable pattern. I have seen so many Peasant Farmer miniatures of the sowing that took place in April- there seems to be a standard configuration for say April.
Henisch says in her book right at the start...
When a medieval artist was told to illustrate a calendar, he knew exactly what he was expected to provide. It made no difference whether he was working in wood or in stone, tracing the design for a stained-glass window, or brushing gold onto a sheet of vellum. He reached into his store of patterns and pulled out not twelve scenes, or emblems, one for each month of the year, but twenty-four. One illustration showed a characteristic occupation for the month, and the other displayed the month’s dominant zodiac sign. The artist then proceeded to group his pictures in any number of configurations, of which the simplest and most straightforward was the matched pair. A manuscript that offers a crude and cheerful representation of July, with a man cutting wheat in one compartment, and Leo the Lion flourishing his tail among the stars next door.
This seems to me to be logical place to find the origins of Tarot and to logically date the Cary- Yale sheet. I can well appreciate that the printers (and the carvers of woodblocks) would have some seriously popular images, that could have been grouped together as a group of images for Tarot. The Aquarius painting from the Book of Hours in the above post- looks very like the pattern of the Star card, right down to what some say might be fish and are really the swirling fleur de Lis around it the odd shapes behind the figure on the card could well be the badly cut towers and hills, that appear in the painting. If you look carefully on the painting in the Book of Hours, you will see the figure is on a jutting out grassed wharf? like a platform. On the Cary- Yale sheet the Star figure is definitely kneeling on a platform as well. It makes me wonder- who is is getting inspiration from whom. I think it is from a book of commonly used patterns. ~Rosanne
 

Debra

Oh boy. This is a whole 'nother way to think about it. I cannot WAIT to hear what the knowledgeable folks on this forum have to say!
 

Rosanne

Thanks Kwaw- I was not sure where I had seen it before. The bottom two illustrations in your post http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1108309&postcount=23
look very much like they came from the same pattern book. I believe the British museum has a whole stack of these illuminator and publisher's pattern books. In the book I mentioned above, these pattern books were also used to train apprentices- which may account for some of the rough work we see in the old cards (which we bow down and revere, just because they survived I guess) I think of Le Pendu and his search for original models 1, 2 and 3 etc or is that a, b or c? I guess the pattern book allowed for some artistic license. It reminds me of the famous Q gospel, they are always going on about in Biblical studies- the source of the stories basic byline. Some woodcut specialist got all artistic and put a beautiful star on his pattern for Aquarius- maybe just because he did not have the expertise to cut a castle, and voila! We have the Star- and it is used to demonstrate the biblical story about St Peter fishing his fishes, or some prayer based around the story or even the Psalms...or even just Aquarius. I always felt Kwaw was on to something with emblem books ~ Rosanne