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Could Lust mean sexual passion's self-expression restriction ? Is Lust a surrenderer or a tyrant ?
lust is both a surrenderer and a tyrant. Sexual passion does not equate to lust. lust is a very specific mode of feeling which arises out of intense greed and disregard for others and ultimately for oneself.
lust is born and lives within ignorance.
Originally Posted by JadoreHauteCouture
I dont agree with any of these interpretations at all... Maybe my point of view is totally opposite or extreme but i guess i join in with my 2 cents..
So the streght is generally about becoming yourself... finding your true potential and being who you are... like a lion, being fearless, knowing who you are and what you want...
We can see that by zebras in the background... they represent the outer world that is naturally offered to lion... his possibilities and purpose.... Lion is a predator and his purpose is to explore, dominate, ravage, to be the king of the jungle (in human case, being on top, king of the world)...
yes, he is starring at the zebras, but he is not hunting them, not even following them... the lion, paradoxly is enslaved... he is not waiting to hunt them, he is not even preparing either... lion naturally knows what he needs to do, and he naturally knows how to do it... he knows how to hunt... there is no need for preparation...
Now... I dont know where people are getting all these romantical ideas.. it is a naked slim smouldering woman on a lion in both Mary-el/Thoth... no one finds that at least puzzling, not even disturbing???
The image is not about a lion at all... It is a metaphore for a man... A man - natural hunter since ancient times - who knows what he wants and how to get it... Naked woman represents a seduction/a sin... it represents a woman who distracts the man from following his own purpose and being himself, just to get some... and you know what i mean... her p...y... thats why the woman is not afraid of the lion and she has him BETWEEN her legs... to make him forget his essence, who he is, and control him through sex, pleasure and earthy desires...
the lion should stay who he is... a hunter... (you can imagine a fearless enterpreneuer, who is successful in his business and gets what he wants, house, cars, clothes and so on)... lion should find another lioness who will simply accept him as his equal mate, let him be a king of the jungle and simply have a mutual love and create family...
now this woman comes into the scene... since she is on top of the lion, it automatically talks about inequality... the woman controls lion in every single way.... the top became a bottom... and how she controls him? through sex, desires, being naked and also through flashy clothers, low V-necks, miniskirts, make-up and jewelery... thats why she is naked but only has pearl ring and necklace... (it could be prayer beads, but i dont see the cross and the beads looks too pearl-like, expensive)... shes totally naked... why she wears a pearl ring? maybe shes wearing also 10-inches pornstar stilletos too?
This picture talks about a man who is successful, king of the world, but finds some bimbo who starts to controlling him through sex... instead of finding equal woman who is accepting him and letting him be free, he finds this supermodel that only pleases his libido, instead of supporting him to fulfill his dreams... I mean, why do you guys think the Thoth's Strenght is called "The Lust"???? This man buys this woman expensive stuff and jewelery and focuses on conquering her instead of those zebras... and this woman only prays that she wins and chains him down through the sex. She hopes the man doesnt realize he is being controlled and he is pursuing only flashy box with nothing inside...
If you want prayers to find answers, I would personally pull High Priestess (intuition), High Priest (knowledge) or hermit (inner studies) to go inside and prepare. or in case of preparation chariot or again hermit (inner studies)... The Streght card is about people who have naturally everything they need to become successful and they need to find inner courage/strenght to go out and get them and resist the temptation on the road....
This card paired with 7 cups is the deadliest combinations... the best way to be trapped into passivity instead of working on yourself and progressing, but being fully controlled by pleasures and lust...
one of the most negative cards with one of the biggest potentials but also with the biggest challenges... resist something our sinful nature dies for, so that we can become better ourselves...
i know too many men who got enslaved by sex and desires... they were so smart and successful but they got deceived by sex and they didnt even realize it and this woman had full control of their life and finances, not letting them to pursue anything they liked and used to do before... successful man turned into a coward by dictator-like woman who constantly tells him how to do things, yet she has absolutely no idea how to do them. A gay man who is stuck in marriage, but he cannot become himself/happy with another man, cuz a woman controls him, she can allow him to sleep with other men (lust), but she fully controls his life, his finances, his family, his time and hobbies, his dreams, his reputation... A man with amazing potential who got deceited by a smouldering gold-digger, she got pregnant and turned him into a baby daddy, now she controls him through the baby and paying all her bills, he gives her money that she uses on expensive manicure and hair saloons rather than baby... This card is about demasculating a man (a person) by trapping him into sinful and lustful nature... I dont see anything romantic about that... People need to find XI. Strenght to resist temptation... Naked woman on a lion always represents temptation...
Could Lust mean sexual passion's self-expression restriction ? Is Lust a surrenderer or a tyrant ?
For me 'Lust' (in this context i.e. on the Thoth Atu XI ) is that state 'enflamed in prayer' (even 'Energised Enthusiasm'), however you get there. A magician in/evokes it. Most of us have it rise and fall like tides or 'biorhythms', suppress it, enjoy it, or become addicted to the brain chemicals it produces.
The 'us' or the magician can 'ride' it, direct or control it to the ends of their operations.
To restrict doesnt work, to direct seems better. Lust should not be tyrant, neither should that which directs it. It may 'surrender', but with the understanding that, that might be a better way of getting what it wants and developing itself.
Babalon is an Lunar-Yonic archetype of the qabalistic sephira Binah. It's an inner reality. Projecting it outward onto flesh and blood women is in my opinion a mistake.I didn't meet ever a woman that i thougt was Babalon "incarnated" who was not a evil tyrant, a mad woman or a cheater at the end.
Babalon is an Lunar-Yonic archetype of the qabalistic sephira Binah. It's an inner reality. Projecting it outward onto flesh and blood women is in my opinion a mistake.
I didn't meet ever a woman that i thougt was Babalon "incarnated" who was not a evil tyrant, a mad woman or a cheater at the end.
I would like to know how someone recognizes a real Babalon-lady,
but i can't understand why i attract all these weak women, needy cheaters. I was selfless with all of them, but they were evil and extremely restricting liers. Do you have any idea if a spread could help me to understand and show me the way to a real serious, honest partner who can appreciate my selflessness ?
I want to predict when and how it will happen again without to be cheated by Choronzon again.
A friend of mine, thelemite, told me that Babalon comes to our life not to stay. Ι wish a relationship for ever, because i am not young anymore.
The intent of some paths is simply at odds with living an open feeling life based on something other than the operation of lust as a replacement for strength.
The creator of this system of Magick would have been quite content to deal with any of the Scarlet Ladies that you are describing.
Really ? Perhaps you haven't looked into his explorations of his own 'psychological drives'.However he always placed himself in the role of the dominator.
Lets see what the 3 here can offer to shed light on these finer points that understandably serve to confuse many.
…I am numb
With the lonely lust of devildom.
Thrust the sword through the galling fetter,
All-devourer, all begetter…
I rave; and I rape and I rip and I rend
Everlasting, world without end…
He writes elsewhere: "This is Babalon, the true mistress of The Beast; of Her, all his mistresses on lower planes are but avatars." In a footnote to Liber Reguli, Crowley mentions that of the “Gods of the Aeon” the Scarlet Woman and the Beast are “the earthly emissaries of those Gods.” He then writes in Commentaries that "....the Scarlet Woman is an officer replaceable as need arises."-----End of Crowley speak-----
AC was married twice and both wives went insane. At least five of his known mistresses committed suicide. He died nearly penniless, fighting a heroin addiction and leaving a path of abuse and exploitation that some continue to resonate with, emulate, and tirelessly promote.
It seems they even view it as the answer to the long enforced repression of the church even though it appears to be nothing more than the extreme opposite swing of the same pendulum leading to a whole other level of weakness and confusion.
Those oriented toward exploiting others rely on keeping their true intentions hidden. Few willing victims will present themselves to the black magician who says something like “I am out to take everything I can from you and provide you with ignorance and darkness in return.” Instead they attempt to create a shell game of sorts where they appear to be offering some form of external system to you by which if you play along you will somehow become stronger. The fact that their exploitation of you requires you to be weak ensures that they will do everything in their power to misdirect your attention and awareness away from anything moving toward your own strength. They only strive to dim consciousness and foster dependence as this is the required ingredient for their continued manipulations and exploitations.
Yep, good advice.One way to start to find the type of healthy relationship you may want to be a part of is to distance yourself from ideas and forces that are subverting your will to do so. Once you gain any amount of increased clarity it may become quite easy for you to spot those who you do not wish as well as begin to attract into your life those that you do.