Rite or Religion

Frater Benedict

Teheuti said:
In some forms of Wicca it can be seen as a religious implement and used in ritual, but it doesn't help form the basis of the belief system.
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The bit about 'doesn't help form the basis of the belief system' is also true about Valentin Tomberg's Roman Catholic variety of Hermeticism and Papus' variety of Neo-Gnosticism. Both appreciated tarot, and used it to illustrate each of their philosophies respectively, but tarot readings didn't became a part of Mass, if you know my drift.
 

Teheuti

Frater Benedict said:
Where may I read a RELIABLE description of the Holy Order of MANS? The only thing I know about it is, that it, allegedly, was an Eastern Orthodox church not in communion with the Patriarch of Constantinople, but that is all I know.
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http://www.wrs.vcu.edu/profiles/HolyOrderOfMans.htm

What's left of the original order (split from the group that became Eastern Orthodox) is at:
http://scienceofman.org/

I knew quite a few members back in the late 70s and early 80s, and respected those I knew very highly.
 

Frater Benedict

Thank you for the weblinks. The history of the order was much more complicated than what I expected. The 1960's sounds like another world (I wasn't born then).
 

ravenest

Michael Sternbach said:
Everybody has some kind of philosophy that they are living by (whether it's worthy of the term or not). To have one is in fact a requirement.

Talking about Platonism, it is doubtful that Plato or Plotinus would have seen religion, science and philosophy as separate entities.
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Yep. Here is an interesting question (no, not for you, you already know the answer) what was the difference between religion, science, philosophy and hermetics pre 1600 ?

Michael Sternbach said:
I would say, much like the holy scriptures of many religions, the Tarot was (and continues to be) "channelled" from transcendental sources.

But I certainly agree with you that we don't need to make a religion of Tarot.



That would indeed be horrible! Think about it... A Tarot Pope dictating how to look at the cards! :bugeyed:
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And a priestess making all sorts of claims about what is secretly hidden within ... a 22 stage clergy .... but it wouldnt mean dictatorship of interpretation, there could be a Reformation .... and heretics .... :)

Michael Sternbach said:
As far as I know, "tetraphobia" is particularly widespread in Japan, which apparently has got to do with the words for "four" and "death" being phonetically identical in Japanese. In the West, while the number 4 is sometimes looked at with some suspicion, the most characteristically unlucky number of course is 13. This is our Death card, and surely many people are terrified of it. Note: 13 = 1 + 3 = 4.
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I was about to give a different answer on this question (coming more from my own perspective, which is slightly different from yours ... and Plato's ;) ... but your one will do .... quiet nicely :) .
 

Alpha-Omega

Frater Benedict said:
Then, perhaps, BOTA qualify as a religion? It is still not tarot per se as a religion.
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I am taking a religious cults class and BOTA is part of the textbook, it is a "cult" or New Religious Movements as they are called instead.
 
Cards lying or person lying? Bugging me