Sharla
Thankyou for the reading Minderwiz, i appreciate the time and effort you've put into this for me.Horary is a standalone branch of Astrology which attempts to answer questions that are asked of the Astrologer. A chart is cast by the Astrologer for the moment that they understand the question. It is this chart that is interpreted to provide the answer to the question asked.
I cast a chart for the moment that I finished reading your repost of your initial post. That chart is attached with the question What should I do?
Your right i don't have any power anymore over this situation, its all down to him, and i had a feeling that this was to do with Saturn being in retrograde as Saturn has been appearing in a lot of my other readings to do with him.The Ascendant and its ruler are assigned to the person asking the question - technically known as the querent - and in this case, that person is you. The chart has Aquarius rising and its ruler is Saturn. Note that Horary uses the traditional rulers of the signs because they were systematically established at the beginning of Horoscopic Astrology.
Looking at the chart, Saturn is placed in Sagittarius, and is Retrograde. For the chart, I used Whole Sign Houses, which is the original house system for Horary charts (and indeed all charts). Sagittarius is two signs back from Aquarius, so Saturn is in the eleventh house. That's not a bad placement at all, it's one of the better placements and shows that you can act. But Saturn is not strong in Sagittarius, indeed it has no essential dignity of its own. It's also Retrograde (heading in the wrong direction) and it's slow all of which makes it difficult to use the opportunity to act. Basically you don't have much power to affect the situation even though you are not prevented from acting.
Are you saying that "he's got the power to act, he's brimming over with power" that this is him wanting to communicate with me so bad....but can't ? Just asking, as i've been picking this up from my own readings too.The next issue is to decide which planet signifies him. To do that I have to assign him to one of the houses. Given the question is on romance and relationships, I've two options. If he were your husband or partner, or even your prospective partner, I'd assign him to the seventh house, which is Leo and is ruled by the Sun. If I did that the reading would work out very favourably.
However, your statement that the trouble was romantic in nature led me to suspect that I should use the fifth house which rules romance and short term relationships. Your follow up post, explaining that he's a married man, convinced me that this was the correct house to use. In the chart the fifth house is Gemini, ruled by Mercury.
Mercury is placed in Virgo, its own sign. So he has plenty of essential dignity as Virgo is also its exaltation. Mercury is also Fast- he's got the power to act indeed he's brimming over with power but and it's a big but, Virgo is the eighth house, which with the sixth and twelfth houses is one of the worst places in the chart. It's one where action is particularly difficult (relative to the Ascendant - you).
Yes i understand he has issues at home, for one he doesn't really want to be there and he has the whole family on his back pressuring him to say...its a Muslim family so its not so easy to just up and leave a marriage...especially for a Non muslim white girl <shock horror>.There's one other issue as well. Whereas Saturn is in one of the lower dignities of Mercury, Mercury itself is not in one of the dignities of Saturn. So as far as this question is concerned, you do have some concern and feeling for him (though I'm not sure it's strong enough and I'll return to that in a moment) but he's concerned overwhelmingly with his own situation and also with his family, particularly his siblings. At the moment you don't come into it.
He has no kids though with her, so no siblings, and he says he never will have them with her he wants them with me.
Are you sure this is not the clash between him and his wife, as like i said me and him have no contact whatsoever now, ive told him i won't contact him now and im just leaving him to come to his own conclusion as of what he needs to do or not do .....so arguments and problems and such wouldn't be happening between us.Normally the next stage is to look and see if there are any aspects forming between the significators. In this case there is an aspect forming. Mercury at 6 degrees Virgo is applying to a square to Saturn at 9 degrees Sagittarius. Squares signify delays, obstacles, arguments, problems. As Saturn is Retrograde, this square is mutually applying, suggesting that things might come to a sudden clash between you.
And once again my own personal readings have been telling me about a sudden clash that then allows him to break the ties that are binding him, and to then be able to make a new start.
The way i feel though it is enough, but because i now have fallen in love with him then i do find him attractive...it was just not instant attraction, but something that grew on me...as like i said he's not the usual type id go for. I don't understand how there can be no motivational factor from his side, as when we were together i could tell just by the way he looked at me, how much he wanted me....it wasn't just about sex i know it wasn't, there was something much much deeper between us.You said that he's not your type of guy. That doesn't surprise me, as Sagittarius is the Detriment of Mercury, Really you shouldn't be attracted to him. That's something you recognise but you believe that there's something below his exterior appearances that attracts you. I'm unsure whether that something is enough. Indeed on the evidence of this chart, I'd say that something was not enough to overcome this situation, even from your perspective. From his, there's no motivational factor.
Yes thankgod Saturns turning direct.....Saturn retrograde always gives me some pain to handle. I'll have to let you know regarding this, because i did actually have between the 14th - 16th of this month i would be hearing from him again.I think you probably realise this already. Even if you don't, you soon will. Saturn stations Direct late on the 13 th of August. After that it begins to move in the opposite (and 'normal') direction. But by then the damage will have been done because that square between significators will occur whilst Saturn is Retrograde. There after Mercury leaves Saturn behind.
All i know is he's not happy with her, he doesn't want her kids for him to be even more trapped, there's no intimacy between them whatsoever, all the smiles in photos are fake for the family and he just basically works works works to take his mind off everything. But with him being a Scorpio he needs that intensity with someone that he has with me.So you have some serious thinking to do. You also have to ask yourself whether he really will leave his family for you and even if he did, whether that marriage break up would remain a barrier between you. This chart does not show a happy ending to your relationship with him.
Like i said im not going to be causing this clash because im not contacting him, so how can i have any involvement in it. I txt his wife last week and apologized for the whole situation, told her its not been intentional etc....apologized for all the bad things ive txt her, told her its over between me and him now and that i'm moving on....she apologized too for the stuff she'd said to me etc....we've both deleted each others numbers and that's it. There's no contact with him or her for me to cause anything....i'm out of the picture now, so if anything else kicks off, then that's between them two. so i think the "mars is much more troublesome than normal" is between them two.This morning, when I read JenP's post I decided to cast another chart just to verify my reading (the chart is Sharla.pdf). The second chart again has the Ascendant Ruler and Lord 5 in a square. In this case Saturn is Lord 5 and the Ascendant ruler is Mercury. Same two significators (though reversed) yielding the same result.
Coming back to your original Tarot reading. In a real sense my Horary reading backs up the idea of a clash, potentially an explosive clash if you pursue the matter. So your interpretation of the symbolism was probably right. I note that in both charts, Mars is moving towards Saturn and as the first chart was a Day chart (the Sun had not yet set) Mars is much more troublesome than normal.
Like i've said i have now backed away....he's already told me that he wants the break up to happen naturally not because of me and him, he said if its meant to happen it will....but he knows that he cant be in this marriage much longer. Im not pushing for anything, im just letting it be.What should you do? Back away and let the relationship go. Avoid the clash and have nothing to do with any break up of his marriage. If it does break up without your involvement, then there might be some hope someway down the line. But I don't really see that coming to fruition, yet it's your only chance.
Back away and let the relationship go.