Hierophant & Magician

214red

All of the comments are interesting, these cards are for me and I have no intention or wish for marriage at all. I often get these cards for what I should do about a situation, or what will happen in the situation which I find confusing.

The difference in both cards seem to outweigh the similarities which is confusing me. The situation currently is we nolonger speaking, but our paths keep crossing. So really most of the readings are trying to work out why this is happening, whats the intent behind it. We do spiritual work and we do it in a specialised area so in someways its understandable we might cross paths, but its weird we now cross paths when we didn’t before.

Would both cards link to institutions as we do study at the same places, and we do study mediumship.

@FaireMaiden -'Ordained path---> walking the talk.'- this hits a chord, I can understand there is an element of trusting the universe has your best interests in mind, so that if your crossing paths don’t worry about it. I say I trust it, perhaps I need to as this says 'walk the talk'

@Thirteen - Thanks for the details about talking yourself into something, am not sure we are trying to talk ourselves into something, more likely out of something! Thanks for the details though
@SSN -This is interesting, but is not about marriage as I have stated, the upper hand is an interesting concept though so thank you

@JSYNC-The Magician and Hierophant sound like a cage match to me!!!

One is trying to understand, the other not being able to understand that they need to stop trying. One bound by their understanding, and one not taking the time to understand. One knowing what they need to do, the other just trying to do it.this makes sense, I think one is ignoring things, one is trying to work things out, very interesting. I am understanding things, and he is not trying to understand

Thank you all for the insight, anymore with the additional information would be welcomed.
 

nisaba

214red said:
All of the comments are interesting, these cards are for me and I have no intention or wish for marriage at all.
<warm smile> I didn't relate them to marriage at all.
 

214red

nisaba said:
<warm smile> I didn't relate them to marriage at all.
I have trouble in normal romantic readings to read the Hiero as marriage, but in this case it is definitely not linking to the big M!
 

starrystarrynight

214red said:
All of the comments are interesting, these cards are for me and I have no intention or wish for marriage at all. I often get these cards for what I should do about a situation, or what will happen in the situation which I find confusing...

@SSN -This is interesting, but is not about marriage as I have stated, the upper hand is an interesting concept though so thank you
Well, that's why I said "metaphorically" in my response. :) It's difficult (for me, at least) to get across what intuitively comes without using something as an example. It's probably equally as difficult (for me) to make any kind of an accurate comment on a pair of cards when they are taken out of the context of the reading(s) they came from.

That's why this forum is so great, though...you can get a lot of different ideas to sort through to find what works best if you really have no clue about a certain card or cards to begin with.
 

FaireMaiden

214red said:
Would both cards link to institutions as we do study at the same places, and we do study mediumship.
'The Heirophant' absolutely represents 'institutions'... whether that be idealistically, (such as the 'idea' of marriage), and/or the actual church/preacher/courthouse wherein such an 'idea' is materialized, made concretely so, sanctioned.

'The Magician' does not, per se, represent 'institutionalized anything'... to me, it is only 'power', to be used for good or ill. However, next to 'The Heirophant', (in the context you're giving), would mean that the 'institution' referred to by 'The Heirophant' is a magickal one... idealistically, the 'idea' of magick/mediumship/spirituality played out in an actual concrete place such as a coven/classroom/church/study group, etc.

As an aside, I think people started speaking of 'marriage' in this thread because of your statement at the very beginning that you'd been getting these two cards in your 'romantic readings'. One would naturally make the inference from 'romantic readings' and 'The Heirophant' as legalizing the romance... taking the romance to the next step.

It appears to me that your confusion about these two cards stems from asking about this person using a 'romance spread' instead of a more general, 'what is this person doing in my life'-type of spread?

Heirophant & Magician cards... http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/... Decks/Tarot Readings/Heirophant-Magician.jpg
 

214red

I don't use spreads this wasn't used that way, I asked why they are in my life in various ways,but it's a love situation so there is no getting away from the context
 

FaireMaiden

214red said:
I don't use spreads this wasn't used that way, I asked why they are in my life in various ways,but it's a love situation so there is no getting away from the context
Whether you use a spread or not, the question is asked. If you're in a 'love situation' with this guy, and asked why he is in your life in a romantic sense, then I would say:

Sanctioned union (Heirophant) in the works (Magician).
 

214red

FaireMaiden said:
Whether you use a spread or not, the question is asked. If you're in a 'love situation' with this guy, and asked why he is in your life in a romantic sense, then I would say:

Sanctioned union (Heirophant) in the works (Magician).
sorry the reply above was done on my ipod so very brief.

I think what you said sums it up completely, it makes sense, i dont think its sanctioned in a making it legal way, but more spiritual sense, like a karmic match if that makes sense


thanks to everyone on this thread, it has helped alot