? What spread do you use with your Thoth Deck ?

I tried searching for something like this in the forum, but the search function doesn't seem to be wanting to work for me right now.

This thread is inspired from this post I made- http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=112115 in the GD forum regarding the 15 Card Golden Dawn Spread that comes in the little white book with the Thoth Tarot Decks and the Golden Dawn Decks.

Apparently, no one uses it. I really like it, and in fact it's the main one I use with my Thoth deck.

The other one I use uses the exact 15 card layout, but the attributions for each 3 card sequence is different. The guy who gave me my first real tarot reading used it, and he taught it to me. I've only seen it referenced on a random website I can't find anymore. It goes like this-

(all 3 card sequences)
on the top left-

Outcome in about one month


on the top right-

Outcome in about 2 weeks

center-

the situation

bottom left-

forces you can't control (karma)

bottom right-

final resolution


each section has 3 cards, and each card within the section has an attribution itself, unlike the GD spread, it goes like this-

querent, his mind, actions
(left card)

situation/querent
(middle card)

querent's environment/others
(right card)


I use it when i want to see how something that is relatively fixed will pan out, it works well when I inquire about people or things other than myself that I cannot control. Anyone ever heard of it?


sooo... ? What spread do you use with your Thoth Deck ?

I'm particularly interested in those people use with EDs as this is a big facet of the Thoth deck, imo, and why I have neglected using a celtic cross spread with the deck, because looking at it, all those lone cards look so disconnected....

ManifestDestino said:

sooo... ? What spread do you use with your Thoth Deck ?

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You may have found these already, but I found a couple of threads about Thoth specific spreads.

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=95833
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=75122
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=61043
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=37468
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=29110
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=20116
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=19810

I'm particularly interested in those people use with EDs as this is a big facet of the Thoth deck, imo, and why I have neglected using a celtic cross spread with the deck, because looking at it, all those lone cards look so disconnected....

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I found the same thing when I started using the Thoth. All the spreads I used before really didn't suit it. Over time I've started going back to those old spreads, including the Celtic Cross, though rarely.

I prefer to work with the Thoth one card at a time. I often will do one card readings, and its my favorite kind of reading really. Then I may draw subsequent cards, refining the first card, kind of like a back and forth conversation with the deck. I may end up with several cards in a line, and each I read related to the cards on either side, as they are connected by the path the "conversation" took.

One spread I picked up from Banzaf's book, is a relationship spread, that I find really good with the Thoth. The cards are laid out in a hexagram with a centre card.

x1xx2x
x3x7x4x
x5xx6x

1 is you, 2 is them. Compare especially re ED's.
3 is how you see them, 4 is how they see you. Compare.
5 is how you see the relationship, 6 is how they see the relationship. Compare.
7 is the actual situation, and a reference point to compare with all the other cards in the spread.

I found this a good spread for any situation with 2 main parties, not just personal relationships. And its a good way to start working with ED's in particular as all the cards are related back to the centre card (7) as well as their horizontal pair, and vertical triple. Its a good spread for trying to see both sides of an argument.

I really like the First Operation of the Opening of the Key spread. I find the rest of it derivative at best, unnecessarily complicated and often redundant.

But I love that each pile (right to left) is attributed to a letter of the Tetragrammaton, which is like a positional meaning and an ED in and of itself. I like trying to read the pile with the significator with the counting method though I have yet to find great success. This is my shortcoming, not the deck/spread's. I think it's incredibly powerful and has the potential to give all that one could ask for in a reading.

\m/ Kat

Well hello my little Thoth Buttercups...rather than joke with you about spreads and Thoth (me I prefer lashings of Peanut Butter and Raspberry Jelly myself)
It seems to me that if you only require a particular breed of Tarot spreader-

I'm particularly interested in those people use with EDs as this is a big facet of the Thoth deck
you should explain that particular handshake for the ignorant of that particular acronym. You could be talking about Erectile Dysfunction for all we know. Or maybe it is one of this broad list.....

Esoteric Designs
Edition
Education
Editor Every Day
Executive Director
Economic Development
Erectile Dysfunction
Emergency Department
Effective Date
Eating Disorder
Engineering Design
Esoteric Decks
Equinox Details
Evil Dead

For myself I use spreads that amplify the Sacred Geometry of the Deck
like the 10 card Ouroboros spread especially for paradoxical or circular logic questions- those Catch 22 inquiries. It clarifies relationships between the cards.

***1***10****
*2*********9*
3***********8
*4*********7*
***5****6****
Horizontal 2 + 9, 3 + 8, 4 + 7
Vertical 1 +5, 10+ 6
Oppositional 2 to 7 etc
There is a core group called the personal square 4 + 2 + 7 + 9
Problem card 2
Decreasing influences 4
inner emotions 9
Sitter to the issue 7.

Of course I am such a bore I use this with other decks as well.
~Rosanne

Rosanne said:

Of course I am such a bore I use this other decks as well.
~Rosanne

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You're not a bore

And I like your spread. I might use it right now . . . in the absence of anything more productive to do

\m/ Kat

Hi Kat- I should be more complete in description if you are going to use it.
3-8 is the sitters horizon the two extremes of their psychological and environmental state.
4-7 Is what is behind the sitter that forms the situation and the problem.
5-6 the goals and ideals that determine change.
2-9 emotions- the range between
1-5 determines the way the sitter's personality might make them act.

Within these bounds you also work the oppositions.

Good luck- it is a very illuminating spread for sussing out the sitter and what the sitter might do versus what they should do.

~Rosanne

Indeed! Very complex - thanks for elaborating. I'll give it a go. It might be worth a full explanation thread in the Spreads subforum.

\m/ Kat

Rosanne said:

You could be talking about Erectile Dysfunction for all we know.

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Elemental Dignities.

There is a really good thread on it here.

similia said:

I prefer to work with the Thoth one card at a time. I often will do one card readings, and its my favorite kind of reading really. Then I may draw subsequent cards, refining the first card, kind of like a back and forth conversation with the deck. I may end up with several cards in a line, and each I read related to the cards on either side, as they are connected by the path the "conversation" took.

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I have a question about this- when you decide to draw subsequent cards, do you reshuffle each time before you draw another? Sometimes I like to draw refining cards within a spread, and I never know whether to reshuffle or draw off the top. Sometimes I get good results doing this, sometimes I don't.


btw, I really like the relationship spread and the geometry one mentioned so far. I'd definitely like to master that key spread, but I haven't even thought of beginning to yet.

similia said:

Elemental Dignities.

There is a really good thread on it here.

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It's not a medical condition? Well there you go... perhaps this might help
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/libro_thoth06.htm

It might ED you....and in how many decks this is apparent- but be warned Crowley said this...
The relations between these Four Elements of the Name are extraordinarily complex, quite beyond the limits of any ordinary treatise to discuss; they change with every application of thought to their meaning.
You might just think every Wand is on fire and will sizzle and hiss when you stick it in a cup of Water ...

~Rosanne