Lonely Path
Hoping this is the right forum for this post: wasn't sure if it should go here or in "Tarot Decks".
I'm new here and I just purchased the DM deck. It is only my second deck (first was LoScarabeo Dragon deck, and I have studied the RW images/meanings online). There are aspects to Deviant Moon that I really like and some I don't like, but overall I am very happy with it, and I think it gives pretty good readings. However, there are two cards that I find somewhat off-putting in the deck, and I would like to get your impressions on how they differ from the Rider-Waite meanings.
1.) The 5 of Pentacles - In the RW they are a poor man and companion standing outside a church - which makes sense to me. I always interpreted this like ~ support with strings attached. Like you can take charity from the church, but you won’t be totally independent if you do. In the DM he makes the person outside the church a prostitute, which I think is a little politicizing. I don't generally relate being down on your luck with prostitution, so I have a hard time wrapping my head around his version of the image (not to mention those super pointy boobs he draws~ talk about poking an eye out! lol). I do understand that this is sort of an "outsider" card, but it still feels unnecessarily sexualized. At any rate, I am interested to hear whether this shift was off putting to anyone else, or if someone has a different interpretation.
2.) The 5 of Cups - In the RW it is a cloaked man with his back turned to the cups ~ a person rejecting emotions (particularly emotions he once held dear). In the DM it is depicted in the LWB as "a wretched shew who berates her husband". This seems old-school sexist to me. The original RW image does a good job of encompassing a universal human emotion ~ taking something/someone for granted, whereas the DM basically falls back on a stereotype that was used for years to keep women in abusive relationships because if she complained/fought back she was being a "shrew". To me it shows a lack of understanding of how damaging that stereotype really was for women who tried to leave abusive marriages or simply tried to stand up for themselves in my grandma’s era (the 1940’s and 50’s) and earlier. I don't know, it just rubs me the wrong way in a way that the RW 5 of Cups doesn't, I guess.
Sometimes reading with this deck, I can really tell it was made by a married American male with children, which is fine of course and I do generally appreciate his unique style and take on things, but it is a particular worldview that I sometimes have a hard time relating to. At any rate, I really do like the deck in general, but I find these two cards to be a little off putting and I wish he had stayed closer to the RW meanings with the images.
Also, is there some kind of meaning in the fives I am missing that ties them together? I do not quite understand the numerology aspects of tarot just yet.
Thoughts?
I'm new here and I just purchased the DM deck. It is only my second deck (first was LoScarabeo Dragon deck, and I have studied the RW images/meanings online). There are aspects to Deviant Moon that I really like and some I don't like, but overall I am very happy with it, and I think it gives pretty good readings. However, there are two cards that I find somewhat off-putting in the deck, and I would like to get your impressions on how they differ from the Rider-Waite meanings.
1.) The 5 of Pentacles - In the RW they are a poor man and companion standing outside a church - which makes sense to me. I always interpreted this like ~ support with strings attached. Like you can take charity from the church, but you won’t be totally independent if you do. In the DM he makes the person outside the church a prostitute, which I think is a little politicizing. I don't generally relate being down on your luck with prostitution, so I have a hard time wrapping my head around his version of the image (not to mention those super pointy boobs he draws~ talk about poking an eye out! lol). I do understand that this is sort of an "outsider" card, but it still feels unnecessarily sexualized. At any rate, I am interested to hear whether this shift was off putting to anyone else, or if someone has a different interpretation.
2.) The 5 of Cups - In the RW it is a cloaked man with his back turned to the cups ~ a person rejecting emotions (particularly emotions he once held dear). In the DM it is depicted in the LWB as "a wretched shew who berates her husband". This seems old-school sexist to me. The original RW image does a good job of encompassing a universal human emotion ~ taking something/someone for granted, whereas the DM basically falls back on a stereotype that was used for years to keep women in abusive relationships because if she complained/fought back she was being a "shrew". To me it shows a lack of understanding of how damaging that stereotype really was for women who tried to leave abusive marriages or simply tried to stand up for themselves in my grandma’s era (the 1940’s and 50’s) and earlier. I don't know, it just rubs me the wrong way in a way that the RW 5 of Cups doesn't, I guess.
Sometimes reading with this deck, I can really tell it was made by a married American male with children, which is fine of course and I do generally appreciate his unique style and take on things, but it is a particular worldview that I sometimes have a hard time relating to. At any rate, I really do like the deck in general, but I find these two cards to be a little off putting and I wish he had stayed closer to the RW meanings with the images.
Also, is there some kind of meaning in the fives I am missing that ties them together? I do not quite understand the numerology aspects of tarot just yet.
Thoughts?