Hi Eugim, I’m afraid this post will be even more tedious than my usuals because there is so much I don’t know. I'll just rattle off my thoughts as a way to process what you've written.
1-May be obvious but must be say that is my point of view so not the Tarot itself as it was conceived. (So what I believe )
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I can personally assign everyone’s opinion to their own beliefs, but I don’t know so much about the actual origins of the many sides of Tarot so it’s always helpful when someone points out that it’s just his/her/my belief.
2-God as Creator express himself and created the Universe.This Universe for all of Us is his body and we all live in it. (As Bible says "In God we live,we
move and have our existence"
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I want to respect your belief that God created the universe. At the same time I want to share what I think even though it could be very different, so here is what I wonder: What is God? Is God nature? A supreme brain “out there”. What makes someone think God created the universe? It’s an unknown, or unnamable for me. Though I do feel there is a force or source that has brought us to this point in some way perhaps, I can’t say what it might be or if it is aware in any way. I would like to treat the earth as if God created it, but that sort of brings me back to where does violence fit in. It seems to be built into nature. Is that a flaw or, is the idea that violence is wrong a flaw?
3-God as Pure ultimate Spirit (Purest Original Energy) from which we came,created the Universe with gradual levels of this Matter (Universe) which after all is the original Purest Energy of the Spirit becoming more and more dense.
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Pure Ultimate Spirit sounds like a good description of God. I could stop there. What is it about matter that makes purity so difficult? Especially if it is created by this Pure Ultimate Spirit?
4-The purpose is to enlighten the matter returning experienced to himself.
So matter is the original Spirit/Energy in its lowest point and Spirit is Matter in its highest.
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That answers my question about why Spirit would want to become dense. But why bother? Why not just let matter be matter that contains an element of divinity? How do we know matter isn’t already enlightened? Is God aware as this Pure Ultimate Spirit? How so, would one argue?
5-In Tarot de Marseilles I see Spirit as Fire,Red colour // Matter as Water,Pale Blue colour (So not Earth -BTW see the VALET DE DENIERS where one can see a DENIERS below the earth- So Spirit as its lowest point,but with a fire point of the Spirit waiting to arise ).
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That’s very interesting. Why do you see matter as water and not earth? How does this relate with Card XV? What is the significance of the Valet De Deniers and spirit? Does the pentacle beneath the earth convey fire and water? I feel like that bratty kid in Home Alone that asked all the annoying questions. Sorry, I just don’t know this stuff. I will have to find the VDD in my deck and see how it appears to me and what I have that's written about it.
6-Once the work were done (So transmutation )(SEE the sequence IIX-XIII-XIIII-XV-XVI ) precisely at XVI card stage the fire begin to find a way between the hidden fire that is buried in the Earth (so also in ours unconscious Matter Nature) and his own Divine origin (Sun )
I suggest just as an example that you see Jean Dodal (Iean Dodal ) card from his superb deck. /Clearly the flames comes from the tower toward the Sun.
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I will look at this progression after I finish this message. I do not know this Jean Dodal deck but will add it to my growing list. What is this hidden fire buried in the earth? Molten lava? So you think this firey divinity is hidden in our unconscious as the fire is below the earth? How does this fit with water as matter? Maybe I’ll see something when I look at the cards.
7-And that s all Maureen...
The Matter transmutated returning to his Creator.
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Why, if we, and the earth are a speck of the universe, the body of God, would it have to return at all? Isn't it already here?
8-One more Madam...
Must be have in mind that this process takes place "together" with the Universe,so Us as particle of this Universe,so be agree or not so be conscious or not (Don t mind for God BTW )
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I can grasp that, having had two children where it sometimes felt like I knew nothing of what was going on and poof, there they were! What does Don’t mind for God mean? Whether one believes or not?
9-Again I remarked. / A card named but unnumbered (LE MAT ) / and other numbered but unnamed (XIII).
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Are all Marseille decks in agreement with an unnamed XIII? If I had a working printer, I’d print out your post #39. There’s a lot to think about in there. I will have to think about that for a while...Thank you, Eugim.