Saturn and Moon relationship in this chart
In our physical culture, Saturn represents our accepted limits, our fears and boundaries that others set for us, the authority figure(s) in early life and role that we see them performing ("that we see" is often different from what they do). Moon plays its role in connection with Saturn (Moon has a connection with every planet) as conditioning, as an early/youthful itdentity. Moon is also our habit patterns, our memory, our sense of the past, our primary needs. So, there is a lot of potential for personal disruption between these two astrological symbols.
I'm going to start my comments with looking at Saturn and Moon in terms of their PHASE ANGLE RELATIONSHIP. I would note that the archive section has a great number of presentations by me using Phase Angles where the slowest moving planet is seen as the anchor planet, the faster moving body as the expressive planet. Dane Rudhyar wrote a book called the Lunation Cycle which layed out the concept of eight phases for the Moon in relation to the Sun. Marc Robertson picked up on these phase relationships and then developed a concept using eight pairs of planets that could be used to paint a portrait of any chart owner.
Saturn at 18 Gemini in the 7th house is the anchor point. Moon at 2 Leo in the 8th house is very close to being 45 degrees (1/8th of a circle) ahead of Saturn. This second 45 degree segment between 45 and 90 degrees is the Crescent Phase, a phase that represents struggle. Permit me to quote in part from Marc Robertson's book, The Engine of Destiny.
"Your great struggle in life will be to adopt an identity that will take you out of the past and put you on the road to the future. This will be . . . a struggle because you aims, and the methods you've been taught are often antagonistic to one another." Remember the earlier issues I raised about the duality in this person's character?
". . . you have to be flexible in adapting your methods . . . the past will often make impossible your real goals . . . . it may take a new time, a new face, and surely a new attitude to become more flexible in life." At the start of this phase angle, life will seem to force you to make adjustments because the old, learned way of life is just not working.
SATURN IN THE 7th signifies a rigid approach to partnerships, perhaps even a refusal or reluctance to grow through these relationships. Saturn isn't at home in this sign, not liking the implied changing nature that Gemini suggests. The 7th house has all of the symbolic meanings related to its opposition to the Ascendant (experiences): Partners, marriage, opposition, enemies, controversy, disagreement. The pressures of our culture seem to make it easier to adopt the negative connotations.
MOON IN THE 8th signifies a need to get what one feels they deserve. I see the 8th as being the house of unequal sharing. One always want's the best of the bargain. Being the second house of the partner's (7th house) house, the 8th signifies the resources of others, resources shared, resources that may come through gains by inheritance as well as resources that may have to be given away due to taxes or lawsuits. We see money traded for sex when a younger woman marries an older man, we see legalities employed to gain advantage over another, we see murder or theft to take the possessions of another. No wonder the 8th house is seen as a dark and very unfriendly place. The Moon likes dependable situations inspite of its own changeableness. If it changes, it can only deal with change if other things stay relatively constant. The Moon remembers. The Moon needs. In the 8th the Moon may develop a greedy side or an unreasonable demand for assurance or guarantee from another. This is a bad place for the Moon.
So, how does one find their own, natural, best-for-them identity? How does one trust another, find someone who will be stable for them? How much can one demand from a relationship without having to give as much back? If this person, this chart, has to give back, what can it offer in trade? IF WE CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS WE WILL HAVE THE KEY TO UNDERSTANDING THE WHOLE CHART.
At this point, I will leave it up in the air so that EVERYONE can discuss this chart and this Saturn-Moon dilemma as if it was separate from the rest of the chart. Ncefafn will, I'm sure, be forward enough to comment on this. It would be supportive of what this list is trying to do in terms of learning, if others would also comment. Dave