LADIES AND GENTLEMEN; THIS IS A POINT BY POINT ANALYSIS. PLEASE PAY CLOSE ATTENTION. THIS IS THE
WAY REAL ARGUMENT IS CONDUCTED BY ACTUAL INTELLECTUALS.
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As far as I know, the first person to theorize a connection between tarot
and the kabalah was Alphonse-Louis Constant (Eliphas Levi), in his
two-volume work on high magic of 1854-55. This was more than four
centuries after the first appearance of tarot in Italy.
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As far as you know. you start with the presupposition and then move to prove your point.
As far as you know, every peice of "information"
you have ever been made aware of could have been
hand fed to you by people who don't have your
best interests at heart. Just because you don't
know a detail, or lack the information, does not
prove anything. You can't prove a total negative.
You can't say there was no tarot prior to 1400,
because you don't know. And the truth is, using
the information resources you have, you can't know. So your qualifier/ presumption is a great
admission. What about what you don't know?
And what about the Roman catholic misinformation
campaign and book burnings and genocides?
What about the facts we do seem to have in recorded history that leave more than enough
room for pause to wonder at what we may now
never know because that information was deliberately destroyed?
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There was an earlier work, an essay by the Comte de Mellet, appended to
Court de Gebelin's famous "Monde Primitif" in 1781, which asserted a
relationship between the tarot trumps and the Hebrew alphabet, but it did
not go so far as to cite kabalistic lore as a source.
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straw man. I am saying there is a correspondence.
as we get into the meanings of the cards and
the meanings of the letters, this becomes self
evident. I never claimed that there was a historical deck i could point to with hebrew letters on it.
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There are no Hebrew letters and no direct or indirect references to Kabalah
in any tarot deck or tarot-related documents prior to this.
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as far as you know. please keep your qualifiers in
place. Because for all that you do know, which
is based on the information created by the society
around you, you can't know for sure and with total certainty what you just stated. What about
the destruction of documents in rome? what about the vaults of documents still being kept secret in
rome? You see how this goes? you tell me what i allready know... and i tell you why it doesn't matter.
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Furthermore,
there are no 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, or 14th century tarot cards. If there
are, I would very much like to see them, or any evidence, direct or indirect,
of their existence. The first stirrings of tarot have been fairly well isolated
and shown to have occurred in nothern Italy during the first half of the
fifteenth century. These have been discussed in great detail, on this board
and elsewhere, by Huck, Ross Caldwell, and several others.
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again, as far as you, or they know, using information which any objective observer might
have very good cause to find highly suspicious.
the proof is right in front of you and has been
all along. understand the underlying patterns of
the tarot and try to frame that in the context of
the culture of northern italy. sorry, it doesn't fit.
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In addition, there is no such thing as intuitive history, any more than there is
such a thing as intuitive surgery. If somebody tried to hook me up with a
surgeon who announced that he uses an intuitive method, I'd run the other
way.
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great and good for you. I'm sure Christ manifesting neo bhuddhas will steer clear of doing
any minor miracles for you. Maybe if you learned
a bit about trance technologies you might change
your mind. Maybe if you knew that its possible to
access the reptillian brains sensory experience and thus become a walking mri scanner, and to upload the DNA through the mammalian complex and thus have a more accurate depiction of functional
biology than any mere "modern" doctor...maybe if
you knew a few details you might change your mind.
Maybe if you knew that "modern medicine" is oftimes a big con job....
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There always have been, it's true, people who attract attention by
floating sensational theories which, if they're sensational enough, are
swallowed whole by a gullible multitude, despite the absence of evidence.
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yes, and there are always status quo defenders
willing to float veiled insults at the first
sign of somebody breaking out of the box.
oh hi agent Smith, whats up?
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Such a theory was Ignatius Donnelly's farrago of fantasies about the lost
continent of Atlantis, which he concocted in the late 19th century.
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nevermind plato concocting it first.
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It
persists today, along with the tarot-kabalah connection, despite the fact
that not a single identifiable Atlantean pot shard has ever been recovered,
nor has a single pre-19th-century tarot card bearing a Hebrew letter.
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comparing this to atlantis is another veiled insult. my biggest question is, if you really do have the intellectual high ground, why do you have to resort to smear tactics?
blammo!
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