Ditto!Always Wondering said:I am laughing too hard to offer any clever or witty response. I can barely type anyways.
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Aeon418 said:And, once again, I will point you in the direction of the Book of Thoth and the chapter on Adjustment. A card that Crowley felt compelled to rename because the old title, Justice, was mixed up with limited human ideas on the subject.
Your definition sounds more like Exodus 21, with the empasis on the final actions. And it's all bound up with petty human ideas of revenge. If only karma were that simple.
Ravenest said:Look, do you agree with vengeance or not?
If not, please PM me your credit card numbers and info.
Ravenest said:Very interesting question. Where IS it in BoL, directly and clearly for us non-adepts? - I believe that is why Crowley developed the OTO. In the rites of that Order (and the public documents) there appears to be advice on some very relevant aspects of social actions of a Thelemite.
Aeon418 said:KY Jelly
I think we need some industrial strength KY for this job. If this fails there's nothing left but the full Colonic Irrigation. And you really don't want to go there.Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
You! You! YOU!Grigori said:I guess that depends on who is doing the venging and why.
Mark 2:22 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.
The old you has to go. It can't handle LVX in it's current state. The old temple must be destroyed and re-built. Better. Stronger. Faster.The corrupt structures we have errected, whether due to the inheritance of our Fathers, or by our own fallacious labors, must be rejected and torn down. In the same sense that the card [The Tower] represents the destruction of the Old Aeon by the fire of Horus, so too does it represent the destruction of the "existing material," the "dross" of the aspirant to Initiation.
Initiation in the Aeon of the Child
AL 2:70.....Wisdom says: be strong! Then canst thou bear more joy.
Yep.Aeon418 said:Didn't we cover this in the first chapter study threads? We pointed out how A.'.A.'. material is devoid of this kind of guidance, but the O.T.O. papers are packed with it. Crowley knew that, "Do what thou wilt", simply wasn't enough for most people. They still needed a guiding framework at the beginning to stop them from getting it badly wrong.
Oh ... I dont know ... um The Nationalist Socialist Hippy Party ... um, someone that just picks up this book and reads it for the first time with no understanding of symbolism and metaphor? I was relating to G's comment above when I wrote this.Aeon418 said:Given what's just been said above, who is most likely to make a "great miss" when it comes to mundane, literal interpretations?
Aeon418 said:So it's not all words of the HGA? That's probabaly true until you've passed the second ordeal.
I dont see what good those literal interpretations would do me even if they were acurate, for AC they may have helped? Nuclear bombs in the 40's??? Nah, more like the 80's cower before meAeon418 said:Crowley had a lot of good things to say in that intro, but some of his other writings in the same vein are just plain dumb and reveal a lot about his attitude towards chapter III. To Crowley's mind, if there were one chapter in Liber AL that contained "prophecy", it was the 3rd chapter. He was always looking for literal manifestations of this chapters message as a kind of proof of the revelation.
Is III:43 a description of the fate of Crowley's first wife, Rose? Er...sort of.
Is III:12-15 a prophecy concerning the death of Crowley's kids? Er...maybe.
Was Gerald Yorke the "rich man from the West"? Possibly. But if he was it didn't stop Crowley looking for another one. Hmmmm....
Liber CCC Khabs Am Pekht contains an absolute gem. In it Crowley gives an interpretation of the Island in III:4. Yes, it's England. And the enginery of war is tanks and land mines. Yeah.....
This is the kind of stuff that people constantly do with the Quatraines of Nostradamus. 1999 came and went, and we're still here.
I am the warrior lord of the Forties......... Nuclear bombs? How obvious... *sigh*
Yes and I am using a mundane outer analogy to describe an internal process. IF you progress on this path dont expect to be let off with a smack on the wrist and continue. I think we have all discoverd RHK isnt like that. I'd say, EXPECT to be tracked down, eventually, you wont get away with it, sooner or later you will have to sort it out. (Thats a mundane metaphor too )Aeon418 said:Yes, but this is a mundane, outer manifestation of what I was talking about.
Yep, If you expect it not to, even if it doesnt at first, eventually you will find yourself in a situation you cant progress through that 'push' if you still dont get it it wont go away until you do.Aeon418 said:You know as well as I that in Thelema we view the Will as our path, our chosen orbit through the body of Nuit. But what happens when you try to deviate from that path? Corrective Karma. Is it punishment? No. It's basically a case of you pushing against the universe and the universe, seeking to re-balance the scales, pushes back.
Haven't we discussed this many times before?Aeon418 said:But there are no absolute standards of right and wrong. An act that may tip the scales for one person, might not for another. Does act X conform or deviate from the Will? It all depends on the Will of the individual involved and the circumstances they find themselves in. Conventional notions of right & wrong, good & evil, don't enter into it.
Why not? If I do I'll try again. And again. I'll get coaching, I'll get skill, I'll man up and stop crying, then I will have a toboggan run 'war engine'. And then weeeeeeeeee, wont I be having fun! And if it IS my true will to be a toboggon racer I will have achieved it! A few scars, so what.Aeon418 said:Of course we also have to deal with the illusion of free will. (Don't confuse with True Will.) You're free to do whatever you want, right? Wrong!
In a sense you can exercise your free will and deviate from your True Will, until you get a karmic nudge.
Somewhere in Magick Without Tears Crowley compares the Will to a toboggan run. Your path/fate is laid out before you. But you can use your sense of free will to bash yourself into the walls all the way to the end if you like. But don't cry when you get a headache and feel sick half way down.