Debra
nicky said:At this rate I should be through with the pack by 2012.
22 trumps, 16 courts, 4 aces--the other 36 won't be quite so interesting. I predict October 2012.
nicky said:At this rate I should be through with the pack by 2012.
I think I have read that the Papesse is a metaphorical symbol for "The Church" itself... but, I am not sure it is set in stone or anything, it did make sense to me, to see her that way. How this relates to reading with these cards is another thing altogether... in readings I have never had this card pop up and been able to use it/read it as "The Church" .... myself, I have a hell of a time trying to categorize what is useful to me for reading with these decks and what is interesting history about these decks.... I have yet to find how to combine the two in a workable manner.nicky said:None of these cards had titles. I was lucky enough to have the curator at the Pierpont Morgan take me into a small viewing room last year and see two of them as they are not displayed. (YaY me) (I had to share that as it was very very cool and he was a sweetheart to do it). Sooooooo that said, does it matter what they are called, beyond being able to identify them. If these are understood to be part of a game, which maybe I am wrong here, would the Papesse be easily taken as a trick if she is a comedic type figure ... assuming a female pope is either a parody of the church. Would that lessen her message if one is using divination with this deck? Was this deck the prototype of decks used for the masses? Would the possibility of the card being made to include Sister Manfreda done for the Visconti family translate to the card playing public?
At this rate I should be through with the pack by 2012.
lol, no dick.Debra said:Ignoring all the history, I read the female pope as, usually, a woman in authority (like a female boss) or as the subversive underside of established institutions, depending on the situation. In the spirit of gaming, though, it's the "pope has no dick" card.
Here's another thread re. the Papess, a possible link to the frescoes in the Palazzo della Ragione (aka "Il Salone") in Padova (Padua), Italy. (Ross Caldwells' first post).Debra said:Ignoring all the history, I read the female pope as, usually, a woman in authority (like a female boss) or as the subversive underside of established institutions, depending on the situation. In the spirit of gaming, though, it's the "pope has no dick" card.