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More 1JJ info
Well this thread sure made me get out my 1JJ decks and have a very good look.
I have three, a 1940's copy with French titles, a late '60s/early '70's copy with French titles, and a 1993 copy with German titles. They ALL have "IIII" on Cups and Coins, and "IV" on Swords and Batons. But when it comes to the 9s, only Cups has "VIIII", the other three suits have "IX", (and yet there would have been space for "VIIII" on the Batons, although not on Coins or Swords).
Another thing I noticed was an erratic use of a full stop after some of the numbers; the IV. of Swords; the VI. of Cups; the VIIII. of Cups; the IX. of Batons; and the IX. of Swords. No other numbers have the full stop. This was consistant across all three decks.
Now, those extra little numbers at the bottom of Batons, Swords and Coins. They all follow the exact same pattern of use as the large 4s and 9s do, and yet they all have a full stop.
BUT, of course, the 1940's deck doesn't have those little numbers at all, because it was made for "playing" Tarot trick-taking card games, such as Troccas and Troggu, where it does not matter which way up the cards fall. I suspect it wasn't until some time in the 1960's, when divination with Tarot started to become popular, that Muller started printing these cards with those little 'orientation' numbers.
I have read that this was the deck that started Stuart Kaplan's fascination with Tarot, and the first deck that he imported into the U.S., but he was not the first to do so. My 1940's deck-box bears an additional label from "Wehman Bros. Publishers, 712 Broadway, New York 3, N.Y.", and also has two tax labels that look like postage stamps. There is no copyright symbol or statement anywhere, and the shield on trump IIII, L'Empereur, just says "Fabrique des Cartes", with no mention of J. Muller & Cie., which appears on the later decks. Even my 60's/70's deck does not have any copyright marks. But every card in the '93 deck has, (C) 1974 AG Muller.
As I do not have a copy with English titles, can anyone please tell me if, and/or what, any copyright info on the cards might be? It wouldn't surprise me if at some point decks were printed with, (C) US Games.
Well this thread sure made me get out my 1JJ decks and have a very good look.
I have three, a 1940's copy with French titles, a late '60s/early '70's copy with French titles, and a 1993 copy with German titles. They ALL have "IIII" on Cups and Coins, and "IV" on Swords and Batons. But when it comes to the 9s, only Cups has "VIIII", the other three suits have "IX", (and yet there would have been space for "VIIII" on the Batons, although not on Coins or Swords).
Another thing I noticed was an erratic use of a full stop after some of the numbers; the IV. of Swords; the VI. of Cups; the VIIII. of Cups; the IX. of Batons; and the IX. of Swords. No other numbers have the full stop. This was consistant across all three decks.
Now, those extra little numbers at the bottom of Batons, Swords and Coins. They all follow the exact same pattern of use as the large 4s and 9s do, and yet they all have a full stop.
BUT, of course, the 1940's deck doesn't have those little numbers at all, because it was made for "playing" Tarot trick-taking card games, such as Troccas and Troggu, where it does not matter which way up the cards fall. I suspect it wasn't until some time in the 1960's, when divination with Tarot started to become popular, that Muller started printing these cards with those little 'orientation' numbers.
I have read that this was the deck that started Stuart Kaplan's fascination with Tarot, and the first deck that he imported into the U.S., but he was not the first to do so. My 1940's deck-box bears an additional label from "Wehman Bros. Publishers, 712 Broadway, New York 3, N.Y.", and also has two tax labels that look like postage stamps. There is no copyright symbol or statement anywhere, and the shield on trump IIII, L'Empereur, just says "Fabrique des Cartes", with no mention of J. Muller & Cie., which appears on the later decks. Even my 60's/70's deck does not have any copyright marks. But every card in the '93 deck has, (C) 1974 AG Muller.
As I do not have a copy with English titles, can anyone please tell me if, and/or what, any copyright info on the cards might be? It wouldn't surprise me if at some point decks were printed with, (C) US Games.
