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Ancient Meanings of Pips


Hi Everybody,

if you are interested in it, I can post the meanings old women still give to Tarot (Marseille) in Italy.
Unfortunately they seldom can be linked to numerology, but these are really the traditional meanings.

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Oh yes. That would be wonderful. Sì, sì, sì. Per favore.


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It would be great!The more ideas we get the easier it becomes.
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Ok, so you can let me know what you think about it. I tried to find a logic behind it, but I suspect there isn't any.

Here you are with Wands.

Asso di bastoni (Ace of Wands)
Upright: BIRTH, but also beginning, good luck, will, family
Reversed: RUIN, but also errors, financial loss, pain

Due di bastoni (2 of Wands)
Upright: PROBLEMS, but also pessimism,anger, sadness, pain
Reversed: SURPRISE, unexpected events

Tre di bastoni ( 3 of Wands)
Upright: BOLD ENTERPRISE, bussiness, courage, something risky
Reversed: RELIEF, but it would be better to say change and this is both for the positive and for the negative. If the previous situation was negative it's an improvement of a situation, of course, but if the previous situation was positive, it will get worse.

Quattro di bastoni (4 of Wands)
Upright: SOCIETY, but also peace, association, decisions to be met with a group, marriage, stability
Reversed: PROSPERITY, good luck in financial matters, success, promotion, acknowlegement

Cinque di bastoni (5 of Wands)
Upright: WEALTH, obtained through hard work
Reversed: ARGUMENT, loss of money, quarrel, discussion, civil action

Sei di bastoni (6 of Wands)
Upright: SERVANT, a messenger, daily routine
Reversed: CONCERN, anxiety, fear, suffering, obstacles

Sette di bastoni (7 of Wands)
Upright: SPEECH, language, grammar, marketplace, conference, debate, small talk
Reversed: INDECISION, hesitation, doubts

Otto di bastoni (8 of Wands)
Upright: FUN, short trips, people, innocence, garden, agriculture, park
Reversed: ARGUMENT or REGRET, repentance, hesitation, quarrel

Nove di bastoni (9 of Wands)
Upright: WAITING, delay, something slow, but also contact with strangers.
Reversed: BAD LUCK, obstacles, illness, sadness, accident

Dieci di bastoni (10 of Wands)
Upright: TREACHERY, lie, hypocrisy, cunning
Reversed: DIFFICULTIES, obstacles, being tired, doubts, distrust and suspicio

Fante di bastoni (Page of Wands)
Upright: MESSENGER /STRANGER/YOUNG MAN or FEMALE WITH BROWN HAIR, someone you can trust
Reversed: BAD NEWS

Cavaliere di bastoni (Knight of Wands)
Upright: CHANGE, departure, trip, change of residence or job, young man with brown hair
Reversed: SEPARATION, argument, divorce, escape

Regina di bastoni (Queen of Wands)
Upright: VIRTUE, woman, with brown, hair, female friend, unselfishness
Reversed: ILL WOMAN, someone in need, but also JEALOUSY if with negative cards

Re di bastoni (King of Wands)
Upright: INTEGRITY, wise man, man with brown hair, happy marriage, good news
Reversed: AUSTERITY, but sometimes DISPOTISM, bad news

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Cool


Cool! these mirror Etteilla.
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An here are the Cups!

Asso di coppe (Ace of Cups)
Upright: PLENTY, joy, pleasure, hotel, restaurant, banquet, fertility, beauty, law
Reversed: CHANGE, instability, variation

Due di coppe (2 of Cups)
Upright: LOVE, attraction, passion, relationship, joy, sympathy
Reversed: DESIRE, lust, egoism, sensuality, jealousy

Tre di coppe ( 3 of Cups)
Upright: SUCCESS, solution to a problem, healing, triumph, perfection, happiness
Reversed: RELIEF, healing, conclusion, comfort

Quattro di coppe (4 of Cups)
Upright: BOREDOM, sickness, sorrows, bad friends, embarassment
Reversed: KNOWLEDGE, new friends, new relationship, news in general, premonition

Cinque di coppe (5 of Cups)
Upright: INHERITANCE, tradition, dowry, testament
Reversed: RELATIVES, parents, good friend, relationships, arrival of an old friend or realtive

Sei di coppe (6 of Cups)
Upright: PAST, memories, childhood, longing
Reversed: FUTURE, what is about to come

Sette di coppe (7 of Cups)
Upright: THOUGHT, idealism, fantasy, immagination, dreams, intelligence, opinons.
Reversed: PROJECTS, plans, will.

Otto di coppe (8 of Cups)
Upright: GIRL WITH BLOND HAIR / SHYNESS, love, tenderness, chastity.
Reversed: JOY, satisfaction, parties, repentance, excuses

Nove di coppe (9 of Cups)
Upright: VICTORY, success, advantage, earnings
Reversed: SINCERITY, truth, semplicity, innocence, boldness

Dieci di coppe (10 of Cups)
Upright: TOWN, the town where the querent lives, house, familiy
Reversed: ANGER, violence, arguments, danger, storm, grudge

Fante di coppe (Page of Cups)
Upright: TEEN WITH BLOND HAIR/ SHYNESS / RELIABILITY
Reversed: PROBLEMS WITH A RELATIONSHIP because of shyness, or because of immaturity

Cavaliere di coppe (Knight of Cups)
Upright: ARRIVAL / YOUNG MAN WITH BLOND HAIR, invitation, guest, hospitality, proposal
Reversed: FRAUD, seduction, cunning, malice, deceit, trivia

Regina di coppe (Queen of Cups)
Upright: WOMAN WITH BLOND HAIR / HONESTY, virtue, wisdom
Reversed: DISHONESTY / DISHONEST WOMAN, possessive woman, infidelity.

Re di coppe (King of Cups)
Upright: HONEST MAN / MAN WITH BLOND HAIR, maybe an artist or a priest, not so young
Reversed: DISHONESTY / DISHONEST MAN, hypocrisy, scandal, swindle, vice
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Thank you so much annika334 for taking the time to write these out for us. They are a great resource!

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Moar! Moar!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Umbrae
Cool! these mirror Etteilla.
And therefore Mellet...And I see a lot of Mathers in these too.

Cool, yes. Good to see some Cartomancy in tarot!
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I like Tarot and TdeM especially but recently I ‘ve got tired of endless ‘Ways of Heroes’,analising elements and so on. I’m not against Tarot as a tool of transformation,but I want to find a more ‘shamanic’or a more ‘gypsy’ way to read the cards to be able not only to say:’You’ll have some problems that you’ll overcome and get renewed’ but something like:’A year and a half or two years later you’ll get married and next month you’ll have to change the car’.Thank you annika334 for this information.
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