Liber Mundi

[gregory]

Originally Posted by C

...thats what Im talking about...

C

It's the only thing in this thread I agree with......

[creakingcricket]

The beard of the Magician and the V of his robe make the pattern of Acquisito. And so, perhaps, for the rest This is fun!

["C"]

...could it be that You lost Your Glasses on the Marketplace gregory ?

If so - and if You care - Id suggest that You take Funnyfella with You when You go searching for them and have a look for his Head so that he has something to put his dunce cap on - he might just make a better Appearance that way...

C

[creakingcricket]

Originally Posted by C

Id suggest that You take Funnyfella with You when You go searching for them and have a look for his Head so that he has something to put his dunce cap on - he might just make a better Appearance that way...

C

Why, "C", didn't you noticed that:

The Hermit and his staff make the pattern of Laetitia.
The Hanged Man with his legs in the air makes the pattern of Tristitia.
The Lovers form the pattern of Conjunctio horizontally.
. . . .

Must I do all the work for you? Actually, I support your cathedral-building project, think your ideas are basically correct, and prayerfully volunteer to carry mortar, about all I am good for. But when it's finished, those who've contributed get to ring the bell, yes?

cc

["C"]

...FRIEND... ...there You are... - and You look verrry well with this Head - did You get it Yourself ?
Doesnt matter - with that cute colorful Cap slanted so freshly over Your Mind...
...You really do make quite an impression...

What took You so long ?

Ahh - of course... ...we mustnt talk about this in the Open...
I guess its an old Habbit of Yours that took over...
...Youve stayed so long in the Tavern and now its late and You are worried to be at Home all alone - all by Yourself...
( I took that from Your Logo - nice One - so dont be ashamed because Im used to read Signs... )

But its NEVER to late for some good suggestions - at least when they are so deeply thought over by some or some more Glasses of Wine... ...but let me assure You that the Bottom of a Bottle is not the only Place where Truth may reside...

For Your Findings I must say that Im very sorry that Youve kept hidden Yourself away while we were searching for someone to do the requested List - and even now - for a short Moment - I was considering to delete my Posts for the better - but then again I thought - No I must be strong - I have taken the Burden - I will bear it...

May I dare to encourage You to look for some more Evidence in the still missing Pairs... ?
It would be great to have You by my Side...

And of course You are right - when the Cathedral is in the Making EVERYONE is needed...
And when its ready You shouldnt be ashamed to aply even for the highest Ranks...

I think YOU have got a LOT to give...

C

[creakingcricket]

Originally Posted by C

May I dare to encourage You to look for some more Evidence in the still missing Pairs... ?

Since errors will be corrected by C, I excuse my guessing in advance: I am new to Tarot and have not studied its symbolism.

The three missing pairs are Puer and Puella, Caput and Cauda Draconis, Rubeus and Albus.

I am using http://www.a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/decks05/d02046/d02046.htm for the cards and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomantic_figures for the meanings of the geomantic patterns.

Puer and Puella

The composition of Force (Strength) resembles the pattern of Puer, the open space in Puer matching the space between the legs of the man.
Roughly, the pattern of The Empress resembles Puella: dot or mole on lower lip, green-gloved hand and imperial signia, circle on dress at navel level, and red area between ankles.

Caput and Cauda Draconis

The horns of the Awakening Angels of The Judgment card make a Y similar to the pattern of Caput Draconis, one horn being mostly hidden to achieve this effect.

The composition of The Devil card resembles the pattern of Cauda Draconis: two little devils below and the big devil centered above.

Rubeus and Albus

Death is associated with Rubeus. The Rubeus pattern in the Death card may be seen to two ways: eye sockets and black dots on sternum; or, in the picture as a whole: eye sockets, belly cavity, thigh bones, leg bones. Thigh bones are abnormally elongated.

I would like The Chariot for Albus because of the whiteness in the picture -- the two white pegasus and the white floor of the wagon. An Albus pattern: the two white feet on the ground in the center of the picture, the large white dot on the harness, the two visible eyes of the horses, and the two red-gloved hands of the woman.

cc

["C"]

...its good to see You...

...and You got the missing Pairs right - but in a way Youve got me wrong...

First - the Links You are using are useful concerning the Cards - But for the 16 You should not put too much Trust in the given connections between the 16 and other Systems ( for example Astrology... ) - at THIS Moment they are not useful and will only distract You...
...after a While it will come ALL into Place...

Second - I dont mean to discourage Your newly found Enthusiasm in any way - but we were not in search for the Cards fitting those Pairs of the 16 - THAT has already been done in this Thread - You may look it up...
Youve got some wrong and some right - please look...

Third - maybe You didnt have the Time for that right now because there is so much Funny Stuff going on here - after all we have been MOVED to this Place due to Bernice`s engagement - and in the End we might not really belong here...

Fourth - I really would like You to take EVERY WORD said in this Thread seriously - even when this is "The FUN and GAMES Section" - and even when its coming from my Mouth - this would spare us much Time - and believe me - TIME is RUNNING...
This Thread is in NO WAY meant to be a discussion on right or wrong...
My only Purpose to be here is to SHOW you HOW it is done and WHY it was MEANT to be that way...

So - PLEASE dont get me wrong - and if You want to - stay with us...

C

[Sheri]

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["C"]

Our Friend creakingcricket above inspired me to do this by his really simple way of looking at the World...

Some of you may be new to the 16 and so those Patterns might look a little crude to you - every time a Latin Name - lets say LAETITIA for example - is mentioned you might have to look it up to know WHAT Pattern we are talking about at that Moment...
...and to know to which ATU it refers you have to look it up once more...

So I thought about a clean and simple List to put this ALL together in such a way that you can remember it more easily...
...and as I said - ONE of T²`s purposes in the World is to help you to remember most complex contents by putting a FACE to it...
...because imprinting the Mind with PICTURES works best for Mnemonic Techniques...

This List deals with the Pattern for the Character (( LAETITIA - (1-2-2-2)... for example... )) in the first place...



VIA ------------------- (1-1-1-1) -- Way, Path ------------------------------- "the SUN"
( Think of it as TRACKS in the Sand - made by ONE Person - walking ALONE ~ (( the SUN in the Sky... ))

POPULUS ------------- (2-2-2-2) --- People, Citizens -------------------------- "the WORLD"
( Think of it as TRACKS in the Sand - made by TWO People - Walking TOGETHER ~ (( the CITY... ))


CONJUNCTIO --------- (2-1-1-2) ---- Meeting, Harmony ----------------------- "the LOVERS"
( Think of it as 2 TRIANGLES moving towards each-other to meet with their Tips ~ (( LOVERS... ))

CARCER -------------- (1-2-2-1) ---- Prison ---------------------------------- "the TOWER"
( Think of it as a WALL surrounding a PLACE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (( TOWER... ))


FORTUNA MAJOR ----- (2-2-1-1) ---- Great Luck, Long Term ------------------- "(the) JUSTICE"
( Think of it as a SIGN OF VICTORY raised to be SEEN ~~~~~~ (( the smiling GODDESS FORTUNA... ))

FORTUNA MINOR ----- (1-1-2-2) ----- Small Luck, Temporary ------------------ "the WHEEL of FORTUNE"
( Think of it as a SIGN OF VICTORY broken down ~~~~~~~~~ (( the playing GODDESS FORTUNA... ))


ACQUISITIO --------- (2-1-2-1) ----- Gain, Income --------------------------- "the ( aka ) MAGICIAN"
( Think of it as 2 HANDS RECEIVING VALUABLES ~~~~~~~~~ (( the depicted rich MERCHANT... ))

AMISSIO ------------ (1-2-1-2) ----- Total Loss, Deprivation ------------------ "the FOOL"
( Think of it as 2 HANDS SPILLING VALUABLES ~~~~~~~~~~ (( the depicted seemingly homeless BEGGAR ))


LAETITIA ------------ (1-2-2-2) ----- Happiness, Laughing Bearded Man -------- "the ( aka ) HERMIT"
( Think of it as A PORTAL to a rich Mans Home ~~~~~~~~~~ (( the depicted NOTABLE BEARDED MAN ))

TRISTICIA ----------- (2-2-2-1) ----- Sadness, Reversed Man ----------------- "the HANGED MAN"
( Think of it as JOSEPH`s CISTERN ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (( a MAN falling down HEAD OVER HEELS ))


PUER ---------------- (1-1-2-1) ----- Boy, Young Man, Rowdy ----------------- "(the) STRENGTH"
( Think of it as A SWORD ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (( the STRENGTH used to CONQUER someone ))

PUELLA -------------- (1-2-1-1) ----- Girl, Virgin, Sobriety, Purity -------------- "(the) TEMPERANCE"
( Think of it as A MIRROR ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (( true BEAUTY of the HEART ))


ALBUS -------------- (2-2-1-2) ------ White, Knowing GOD and His Scripts ------ "the POPESS"
( Think of it as THE GRAIL in the sense of "BLOOD" JESUS told you about ~~ (( the childbearing MOTHER ))

RUBEUS ------------- (2-1-2-2) ------ the Red One, Warrior, GOD's Punisher ---- "the NAMELESS ( DEATH )"
( Think of it as the SPILLING of the GRAILs Content ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (( GOD`s NAMELESS PUNISHER ))


CAPUT DRACONIS --- (2-1-1-1) ------- Head, highest Wisdom, Shelter ----------- "the last JUDGMENT"
( Think of it as the ROARING WAKE UP CALL of TRUTH ~~~~~~~~~~ (( the FANFARES on JUDGMENT DAY ))

CAUDA DRACONIS --- (1-1-1-2) ------- Tail, dangerous Place, OFF-LIMITS Area -- "the DEVIL"
( Think of it as the LASHING TAIL of a MONSTER ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (( the LYING DEVIL ))



...and its NOT meant as a compensatory Surrogate for the still coming up Completion of the requested Master List - Ill finish it as I promised - THIS LIST is nothing more than a Mnemonic DEVICE...

C

[conversus]

C:

Thank you for this even partial list. It helps us to develop a clear idea of what you are trying to do. I also want to thank you for that particular insight regarding Joseph and the Cistern. I had overlooked that story and am very happy to revisit it, especially in this context.

I hope that these Games will continue.

CED