Aeon418
Yes. It's right in the exact centre too, which points to it's symbolic significance.Αρσιησισ said:
I never noticed that before.
Always Wondering
Well, I had an interesting game of Where's Waldo today. 
I had do dig out my glasses and take the card out into the sunlight.
AW
I had do dig out my glasses and take the card out into the sunlight. AW
Αρσιησισ
Aeon418 said:
"In the centre, a wheel of Light initiates the form of the Tree of Life...But this Tree is not visible except to those of wholly pure heart." - The Book of Thoth
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Grigori
ravenest said:
This article Cerulean posted today, seems to say that the symbols on the borders were not an original feature, but one added by Weiser and USG after 1977. http://www.manteia-online.dk/deckreviews/dr049.htm
So maybe its not a intended symbol so much as a publisher's woopsie?
Lillie
About the symbols in the border.
I got out my BoT and looked at the pics in the back.
These seem to show the original borders with the hand written titles, presumably by Harris.
On these on The Magus, The Moon and The Universe the planetary symbol and the hebrew letters are the other way round to how it is on all other trumps.
So I suppose this is what the early decks copied before it was 'corrected'.
About the triangle of Air. Again looking at the pic in the book...
It looks weird there too. It don't look like a simple triangle with a single line through it. It's too small and printed too badly to be sure what it does show, but it looks odd to me.
The tiny penis at the centre of the world...
Oh My God!
I had never noticed that.
Crowley had such a thing about dicks.
I mean, it's this silly thing that hangs on the outside of men and looks funny.
Really, Is there such a terribly big deal to it?
It's not god, it's an external piss pipe and it's a really bad design.
You should all take them back and get a refund.
I got out my BoT and looked at the pics in the back.
These seem to show the original borders with the hand written titles, presumably by Harris.
On these on The Magus, The Moon and The Universe the planetary symbol and the hebrew letters are the other way round to how it is on all other trumps.
So I suppose this is what the early decks copied before it was 'corrected'.
About the triangle of Air. Again looking at the pic in the book...
It looks weird there too. It don't look like a simple triangle with a single line through it. It's too small and printed too badly to be sure what it does show, but it looks odd to me.
The tiny penis at the centre of the world...
Oh My God!
I had never noticed that.
Crowley had such a thing about dicks.
I mean, it's this silly thing that hangs on the outside of men and looks funny.
Really, Is there such a terribly big deal to it?
It's not god, it's an external piss pipe and it's a really bad design.
You should all take them back and get a refund.
ravenest
Grigori said:
That was my first guess, 'someone' adding something (or copying something) that they dont understand. I have come across that SOOOO often in hermetics / magick ... and spent a lot of time trying to figure why, only to discover its a typo or fluff up orignally that people have been copying ever since (like that G.D. magic square in the I.R. G.D. book
)ravenest
Lillie said:
Oh? And what do you you suggest we replace it with?
http://www.superstock.co.uk/stock-photos-images/1353-157
Lillie
The symbols in the borders were put there by Harris.
They are present in the pictures of the cards in the 1944 edition of the book.
Long before the cards were published as a deck.
They are certainly present on the printing blocks used in 1944
Go here.
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/search/sortby/3/an/Aleister+Crowley+/tn/+The+Book+Of+Thoth+First+Edition
The printing plate for the sun is being sold. This is the sun that was printed in the 1944 book and was one of Crowleys sample cards.
This is a large picture of that plate.
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/F...p://pictures.abebooks.com/TBCL/1271662799.jpg
See how the number at the top?
Only ever like that in the book illustrations, never been published like that as a full deck.
See the symbols in the border at the bottom?
They are there.
They were there in 1944 when Crowley was getting samples printed.
Does that help?
They are present in the pictures of the cards in the 1944 edition of the book.
Long before the cards were published as a deck.
They are certainly present on the printing blocks used in 1944
Go here.
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/search/sortby/3/an/Aleister+Crowley+/tn/+The+Book+Of+Thoth+First+Edition
The printing plate for the sun is being sold. This is the sun that was printed in the 1944 book and was one of Crowleys sample cards.
This is a large picture of that plate.
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/F...p://pictures.abebooks.com/TBCL/1271662799.jpg
See how the number at the top?
Only ever like that in the book illustrations, never been published like that as a full deck.
See the symbols in the border at the bottom?
They are there.
They were there in 1944 when Crowley was getting samples printed.
Does that help?
Lillie
ravenest said:
Ha!
Not one of those, it's sillier.
If I were a bloke I would want it replaced by something that didn't get in the way, something that didn't distract me so much and something that didn't cripple me when it gets kicked.
Oh yeah, and something I don't occasionally sit on myself, so that I say 'Oww! That hurt! I just sat on my B*****ks!'
Αρσιησισ
Lillie said:
Thelema is a Solar-Phallic religion in that Crowley recognized the generative nature of Sol as well as the phallus. The phallus is the microcosmic manifestation of the sun, the source of all life on earth. IT has far more uses than simply being a "piss pipe". It is the Wand, the hollow wand of Prometheus that brought fire down from the Gods.
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