would you like your tarot author, creator, to read for you ?

[Sulis]

Originally Posted by HOLMES

Ok ,
so the idea that I am getting is because the person has wrote a tarot book, or made a tarot deck,, they are tarot professionals (aka they are charging for their readings and have been a long time whereas perhaps they might not of been ) and thus their readings have extra value more then the regular person?.
I don't see it that way,, if that is what you are saying sulis ?

No, that's not what I'm saying at all.
I'm saying that if someone (anyone) wants to offer a reading that's lovely but it should be up to them and no-one should be made to feel as if they should give readings whether they've created a deck, written a book or not.

You're assuming that people who create tarot decks also read tarot; they don't always and it seems rude to make someone feel (for any reason) that they should have to read for people and that's how you're posts in this thread are coming across.

I'm not interested in how the deck creator can read a deck, I'm interested in how I'd read that deck and the only way to do that is for me to actually have a go at reading a deck myself because I like reading.
Why would you want a deck creator to feel as if they have to be able to read and publicly show that they can read when their skill is in creating not reading?

Just because someone can draw does not mean that they can read tarot and you seem to be completely missing that point (which is what a lot of people who have posted here are saying).

[Lillie]

It's strange, isn't it, how someone who doesn't read tarot or even know much about tarot can make a really good deck that reads really well.

In particular I am thinking about the Cruel Thing.
The artist posted here that he did it as an art piece and that he had very little knowledge of tarot.

Yet the deck reads beautifully.

His quote is in this post here
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.p...2&postcount=30

[gregory]

Another thought occurs to me. Unless the reading is for you - how educational will it be without the feedback that shows how it worked, as opposed to how the reader read ? One great thing about Ricklef's books is the way he reads for fairy stories and so on, so that it really IS something to see where he is coming from when we all knew the outcome before he started. And I think his books are enough - I don't need to see him work with his deck. When I use it I will be using what I take from it and what I see, not what he put in to it. No doubt someof that will come through to me - but it has to do that for itself.

And any creator who wants to offer a reading can do. I bet several have already seen this thread. If they do - fine. If they don't - no huge loss, IMHO. Their writing can tell us what they meant by their art work.

[HOLMES]

I see their point that not every deck creator can read the tarot,,

which is counterpoint to asking those who make the tarot can you read with your deck if you are willing.

keep in mind that at the first post of this thread i was just putting my idea down, and so asking or expecting wasn't part of it,, just asking people if they would like their deck creator to do a reading (of course for you is in the title as tha was how i worded it at the beginning ) with their deck.

that is my only main point,, to do a reading with their deck to show us how they would use their deck in a reading .

in the evoluation of this thread , things such as if you are willing,
and for the point that is being made by everyone "and if you are able ".

and so they merged (at least to me ) to make the request better.

[HOLMES]

Originally Posted by gregory

Another thought occurs to me. Unless the reading is for you - how educational will it be without the feedback that shows how it worked, as opposed to how the reader read ? One great thing about Ricklef's books is the way he reads for fairy stories and so on, so that it really IS something to see where he is coming from when we all knew the outcome before he started. And I think his books are enough - I don't need to see him work with his deck. When I use it I will be using what I take from it and what I see, not what he put in to it. No doubt someof that will come through to me - but it has to do that for itself.

And any creator who wants to offer a reading can do. I bet several have already seen this thread. If they do - fine. If they don't - no huge loss, IMHO. Their writing can tell us what they meant by their art work.

it would be educational gregory as that is how the reading exchange works currently that a lot of people read and I am assuming learn from reading other readings.

[AineFoley]

Originally Posted by HOLMES

asking those who make the tarot can you read with your deck if you are willing.

This for me is the root of the issue, they should not be "asked" the impetus for giving a reading should come from them. There should be no obligation for them to read unless they have offered to do readings - just like everyone else in the forum!

[HOLMES]

Originally Posted by Lillie

It's strange, isn't it, how someone who doesn't read tarot or even know much about tarot can make a really good deck that reads really well.

In particular I am thinking about the Cruel Thing.
The artist posted here that he did it as an art piece and that he had very little knowledge of tarot.

Yet the deck reads beautifully.

His quote is in this post here
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.p...2&postcount=30

in the example you posted lillie,,
I would help him out and read with it,, if i had it that is,

I think is a special category ,, artists who meant for their decks to be art pieces and not so much to be read with it eh ?

[HOLMES]

Originally Posted by AineFoley

This for me is the root of the issue, they should not be "asked" the impetus for giving a reading should come from them. There should be no obligation for them to read unless they have offered to do readings - just like everyone else in the forum!

ok let me describe how I am seeing it .

me at the podium asking people , hey would you like people who make decks read for you with their decks to see them in action,, or to see their books in action who write a tarot book ?
(based on the action so far )
"meh " people say as they look around..

me inspired ask to alllll the tarot decks creators, and took book writers in the back of the room via this thread and only this thread.
"would any of you if you are able to read the tarot, willing, want to offer a reading to show your deck or tarot book idea works for education purposes, fun, and if enough of you do it,, can be gathered ".

then silence and *sound of crickets *.

well ok fair enough, sit back down and pulls out a mug of ice tea and thinks of a differnt idea to talk about the tarot.
(which could be a long time, as i have a hard time coming up with ideas)

[Moonbow]

Lee Bursten reads here on AT, or at least he used to, I'm sure some deck/book designers do read when and if they want to and have the time.

I would like a reading by Ana Cortez because she seems to connect so well with her deck, and with Poppy Palin because she sounds like an interesting person. I can see the attraction of a deck creator reading for me, is there anyone here who wouldn't want a Rachel Pollack or Mary Greer reading? Shame the discussion move into the realms of making deck creators feel uncomfortable or under pressure took place. But if this is a hypothetical question I'm sure answers would be different.

[gregory]

Originally Posted by Lillie

It's strange, isn't it, how someone who doesn't read tarot or even know much about tarot can make a really good deck that reads really well.

In particular I am thinking about the Cruel Thing.
The artist posted here that he did it as an art piece and that he had very little knowledge of tarot.

Yet the deck reads beautifully.

His quote is in this post here
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.p...2&postcount=30

Yes - there are a lot of decks created as art of which that would be true, I think. And yes - the Cruel Thing reads well. I don't think he needs to show us anything, and I don't think we need to help him to read with his deck. He does art. He doesn't have to learn tarot if he doesn't choose to - he has given us his deck.

ETA (cross post) Mary Greer has created a deck ????