Experiments with "Eye Rhythms" in the Dodal

[moderndayruth]

Originally Posted by thinbuddha

It is a codpiece. Here is a painting of Henry VIII wearing one.

Thanks, thinbuddha! I was close with "some kind of shield for his "manhood"
Now that i know what is it called, i did a bit of googling:
http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Codpiece/1
At first, the codpiece was entirely a practical matter of modesty. Men's hose (leg coverings) were typically very snug on the legs and open at the crotch, with the genitalia simply hanging loose under the doublet. As changing fashions led to shorter doublets, the codpiece was created to cover the crotch. Alternative theories of the origin of the codpiece exist.[1]

for example
(from http://www.r3.org/life/articles/codpiece.html)
Legend has it that Edward III, king of England from 1327-1377, had the codpiece of his armor enlarged to astounding proportions because he had heard that strength and military prowess were correlated with a man's endowment. As he was in the midst of the Hundred Years' War with the French at the time, it would not be surprising that he would try to seek any possible advantage available to him. He then ordered that the nobility and knights do the same to their armor. The legend goes on to say that the gullible French (from the nobility all the way down to the peasantry) were scared to death by the advance of the "well-equipped" men...
Virility, or at least the projection of that image, was important to monarchs during the early Renaissance, both in portraying an aura of strength to enemies and in presenting an image to the people that the succession would not be a problem.

also
Henry VIII, like many men of his time, was afflicted with syphilis, and according to a Cambridge, Massachusetts anthropologist, Grace W. Vicary, the exaggerated codpeices contained medication for the relief from the symptoms. They enclosed a specialized bandage and protected outer clothing from being stained by the medicine.(10) Considering the widespread occurrence of venereal diseases during the Renaissance, the greatly enlarged codpiece as a huge protective device is not too far-fetched.

[Bernice]

I knew it was a codpiece, but didn't like to say so. Will it make any difference to the way you eye-rhyme with this card?


Bee

[Le Fanu]

Originally Posted by Bernice

I knew it was a codpiece, but didn't like to say so. Will it make any difference to the way you eye-rhyme with this card?

Well it goes from being one thing to another in my mind so, yes, I suppose it has changed. It is now a protective covering but, like MDR says, these things were to assert potency, virility too. Our page has quite a small one. The big ones must have been reserved for Kings...

[moderndayruth]

Originally Posted by Le Fanu

The big ones must have been reserved for Kings...

Originally Posted by Bernice

I knew it was a codpiece, but didn't like to say so. Will it make any difference to the way you eye-rhyme with this card?

Yes, to some extent - but i still see it as some kind of interaction between the strong and unrestrained libido represented by a Wand (a phallic symbol too) and the covered/ protected one of the other Valet; the 2 Coins to me denote this interaction and i am pondering on its characteristics now.

ETA not to forget that Valets/Pages are the youngsters of the Court so the sexuality i guess would be of bigger importance for them than lets say for a settled and mature King.

[flying black kat]

Everyone I love this "Eye Rhythms" thread.

Be at Peace

Kathy

[Bernice]

O.K. Having another bash at these eye-rhymes.

2 coins. Page Batons. Page Swords,

Thanks to the nice clear pics posted by Herzog, I can now see a rhyme between the 2 Coins & Page Swords.

It strikes me that the 2 Coins is laid-back, an easy comfortable give-and-take attitude. Whereas the Page Swords seems to have a 'black-and-white' demeanor. Quite a masculine stance - so maybe the codpiece does enhance this page.

The fellow in the middle who is so noticably Vertical, looks as though he's a delibrate dividing line between the two. No idea what this might convey in a reading though.


Bee

[Herzog]

I got that same feeling of the Wand forming a kind of line. Maybe a line that should not be crossed. The one with the sword seems to scratch his head while planning a way around it. Should we assume that the two coins are symbolic of their relationship? or maybe what's at stake in their relationship? If the two coins describes the situation, what can be said of it?

I can't help reducing things down to their simplest state: Two Coins... Two people. We can see the coins are entwined, engaged, They are close. They may not be active, but they seem to rely on each other, or some such thing.

Weapons... Conflict.. two people at odds. In the real world one might assume a blunt club is no competition for a long sharp sword. This fight seems uneven. But maybe the club can trip the swordsman, or bop him in the head with a good swing. Who knows... but chances are these two are evenly matched and will duke it out in their own special way.

[Bernice]

Herzog: Two Coins... Two people. We can see the coins are entwined, engaged, They are close. They may not be active, but they seem to rely on each other, or some such thing.

Weapons... Conflict.. two people at odds.....

Yes! And the fellow in the middle: I think he's an aspect of the Page Swords because the club is in both cards. So maybe the Sword Page is being stubborn about something, or perhaps picking a fight. The 2 Coins isn't bothered at all, but the Page Swords is being stroppy or adamant about something. (?).


Bee

[Herzog]

Originally Posted by Bernice

the club is in both cards

wow... I totally missed that. Good call




Do you think the two coins might be another group or entity? or a symbolic representation of these two people... If the coins are literal, this could simply mean friends fighting over money...

[Bernice]

Originally Posted by Herzog

wow... I totally missed that. Good call

Do you think the two coins might be another group or entity? or a symbolic representation of these two people... If the coins are literal, this could simply mean friends fighting over money...

hmm....... but if the Coins are money (they seem laid-back, calm), might the Page Swords be in a strop 'cos he can't get at it? Or, something (centre card) prevents him from accessing it. Might even be that he is wrestling with his conscience .

Lordy, there must be tons of ways to interpret these cards.

Bee