Cards signifying change in Major Arcana

[pacificwaters]

The Major Arcana has always had me puzzled, especially these two cards - Wheel of Fortune (change of fortunes) and The World (end of a cycle). To some extent both these cards are about change. 78 degrees of freedom speaks of The World as being the complete change where Wheel of Fortune wasn't and how hence the creatures on the four ends of the Wheel of Fortune are half formed as compared to the images on the four ends of The World. How different is the change of Wheel of Fortune with respect to that in The World.

And also then, isn't Death too about change??? How does this fit in as well???

Would definitely appreciate inputs on this...

[214red]

This will likely get moved to the section on card discussions.
these cards are quite confusing in the beginning:-)
Death is an ending that becomes a new beginnging, but usually its a bit traumatic because something has to 'die' and be let go of to bring in something new.

Wheel of fortune i feel is a change out of your control, it will happen for good or ill, and it doesnt matter if you dont want it, its coming...its more a fated forced change.

The tower is also change, its shake up that is likely to again be unavoidable, and i often find that in many situations the wheel of fortune situation becomes a tower situation when people try to hold on to the current situation.

I see the world as culmination rather then strictly change, a change might have to take place to come to the world, but the card it self i dont see as change

[Zechariah13]

Originally Posted by 214red

Wheel of fortune i feel is a change out of your control, it will happen for good or ill, and it doesnt matter if you dont want it, its coming...its more a fated forced change.

truthfully ALL of the majors are large and for the most part out of your control.

But as far as Major arcana Changes:
(obviously change, with silly little blurbs)
Fortune: whatever is now, will not be so soon. potentially chaotic
Death: something has passed or stopped, so something new can rise from its ashes
Tower: london bridge is falling down, so we need to find an alternate route to work in the morning

(inderectly change)
I would say that the World is only change in relation to the Fool, as the Fool starts his journey, and after he reaches the world, the fool starts all over. through out the cycles, the cards of completion (world and 10's) cycle back to the beginings (fool and aces)

The star is also a type of change, as it is the hope and stillness that follows the turmoil of the Tower.

Also one could say that the journey from Temperance to the Devil is change.

So , long post made short, every card in the Majors represents a change of sorts, as the Majors form a narrative, but the ones that, textbookwise, mean change are listed above

[tarotbear]

The Tower is a sudden and drastic change that may come without warning.

The Death Card is a permanent and lasting change that may happen quickly or slowly. It cannot be 'unchanged.'

The Wheel is cyclical changes.

The Hanged Man can be a stalled change.

[Zechariah13]

Originally Posted by tarotbear

The Hanged Man can be a stalled change.

Can't it also be a change in perspective? i seem to see changes in perspective there, or at least WAITING for change.

[tarotbear]

Originally Posted by Zechariah13

Can't it also be a change in perspective? I seem to see changes in perspective there, or at least WAITING for change.

Being stuck in my numerological 'Year of the Hanged Man', yes, the Hanged Man is a change in perspective, being given the chance to see things from a new angle and maybe even being able to sort out a few things in the meantime and affect the change.

However, I am 'stalled' because next year I go from the 'Year of the Hanged Man' to the 'Death Year' - so there is a permanent change coming in my direction, and at this juncture in time, I cannot see it, nor affect it, only anticpate it. So for me (at least), The Hanged Man is 'the stall before the change.'

[Suzanne A]

I also see the Hanged Man as sometimes meaning a change in perspective, looking at things from a different point of view.

To me, the World means completion of something, usually successful, and usually involving a process or a lot of work to get to that goal. Like earning your degree after a lot of work, getting married after a courtship, finding a job after searching. Because you have reached your goal, you necessarily have to go into a new phase, so an ending is involved as well--you are no longer a student after you earn your degree, and you have to move on to a new goal, like establishing your career. But I don't think of it in a negative way because you still have everything you gained along the way, you are just moving on to the next phase.

In contrast, Wheel of Fortune strikes me as a change that can be arbitrary, beyond our control, and can be either good or bad, depending on where you were sitting before the change. I also see it as cyclical change, like the turning of the seasons. (A lot of people also see the Wheel as referring to changes as a result of karma, but I see those things more in Judgement and the Tower, personally.)

Death is also about change, but to me the emphasis is on endings. Death concentrates on the fact that something will end, or needs to end. This doesn't have to be all negative, as sometimes you need to clear away things that are no longer helpful in order to move on. But, I also consider it as referring to real death, which is unavoidable, but not easy to accept or deal with.

[SunChariot]

Originally Posted by pacificwaters

The Major Arcana has always had me puzzled, especially these two cards - Wheel of Fortune (change of fortunes) and The World (end of a cycle). To some extent both these cards are about change. 78 degrees of freedom speaks of The World as being the complete change where Wheel of Fortune wasn't and how hence the creatures on the four ends of the Wheel of Fortune are half formed as compared to the images on the four ends of The World. How different is the change of Wheel of Fortune with respect to that in The World.

And also then, isn't Death too about change??? How does this fit in as well???

Would definitely appreciate inputs on this...

Ok, here is my way of doing it.

Wheel of Fortune for me says that something will happen that was unplanned for and unexpected. Life, the universe, is sending you something that was unanticpated and will seem like it came out of the blue, but most likely it was something meant to be, a soul contract...or things fo that nature but you did not remember or plan on it. In fact the event may well be so unanticated that it may not mesh well what the plans that you did make.

Examples of that might be, meeting the person you fall in love with when you least expect it and when you had planned to move away soon after, being offered a new job before you even thought of leaving the old one...Things that were not planned on, but life just sends them to you. You could not plan on meeting that person you fall in love with, for example, as you did not even know he existed, But the universe knew and just sent them to you, knowing you would fall in love.

The World does not mean the end of a cycle to me, or the end of anything. For me it just means the best version of the situation possible, the nearly perfect version of it (nearly as nothing is completely perfect in the sense of being flawless), the apex of it, the best it could possibly be. In a relationship, a true deep soulmate connection that was meant to be and the perfect person for you, the best job imaginable, Pure happiness, joy, connection. the best things could get.

Death is about an ending, more than change. But of course when somethings ends that changes things. To me, Death means something will end because it has to, to make room foir something better that is to come. Both parts of it go together for me. Not just that it will end but that it is MEANT to to make room for something better to come. EG a relationship ends because the Universe plans to send you someone who you will be much happier with soon after.

When it comes to change, The Tower is also about change. To me The Tower means that the situation will change suddenly and unexpectedly, almost in the blink of an eye sometimes. Usually it is a single event that creates that change, something someone says or does. And once things change they will change forever and no longer be as they once were. The card is neutral for me. The change can be positive or negative, either/or. Depending on the situation.

Hope this helps some,

Babs

[pacificwaters]

Originally Posted by SunChariot

Ok, here is my way of doing it.

Wheel of Fortune for me says that something will happen that was unplanned for and unexpected. Life, the universe, is sending you something that was unanticpated and will seem like it came out of the blue, but most likely it was something meant to be, a soul contract...or things fo that nature but you did not remember or plan on it. In fact the event may well be so unanticated that it may not mesh well what the plans that you did make.

Examples of that might be, meeting the person you fall in love with when you least expect it and when you had planned to move away soon after, being offered a new job before you even thought of leaving the old one...Things that were not planned on, but life just sends them to you. You could not plan on meeting that person you fall in love with, for example, as you did not even know he existed, But the universe knew and just sent them to you, knowing you would fall in love.

The World does not mean the end of a cycle to me, or the end of anything. For me it just means the best version of the situation possible, the nearly perfect version of it (nearly as nothing is completely perfect in the sense of being flawless), the apex of it, the best it could possibly be. In a relationship, a true deep soulmate connection that was meant to be and the perfect person for you, the best job imaginable, Pure happiness, joy, connection. the best things could get.

Thanks a lot Babs for clarifying the difference between the two. I was always puzzled between these two. Your examples did help. And as regards Wheel of Fortune and The World, "the best version" as you said, are the complete figures on the four ends of The World (RWS) meant to resemble this????

Originally Posted by SunChariot

Death is about an ending, more than change. But of course when somethings ends that changes things. To me, Death means something will end because it has to, to make room foir something better that is to come. Both parts of it go together for me. Not just that it will end but that it is MEANT to to make room for something better to come. EG a relationship ends because the Universe plans to send you someone who you will be much happier with soon after.

Got this as well...Btw...can death imply end of good times and beginning of bad times as well???

Originally Posted by SunChariot

When it comes to change, The Tower is also about change. To me The Tower means that the situation will change suddenly and unexpectedly, almost in the blink of an eye sometimes. Usually it is a single event that creates that change, something someone says or does. And once things change they will change forever and no longer be as they once were. The card is neutral for me. The change can be positive or negative, either/or. Depending on the situation.

This was added information for me. I never thought Tower was about change. Though a bit of me just had a hunch since Star was following The Tower. But overall I always thought that Tower was about destruction...thanks for this

[pacificwaters]

Originally Posted by Suzanne A

I also see the Hanged Man as sometimes meaning a change in perspective, looking at things from a different point of view.

Thanks for this perspective I never ever thought of Hanged Man from this viewpoint. To me he was all about aloofness, one that is not bothered with the rote...

And yes thanks about your take about the cards I asked as well...

Originally Posted by 214red

This will likely get moved to the section on card discussions.
these cards are quite confusing in the beginning:-)
Death is an ending that becomes a new beginnging, but usually its a bit traumatic because something has to 'die' and be let go of to bring in something new.

Wheel of fortune i feel is a change out of your control, it will happen for good or ill, and it doesnt matter if you dont want it, its coming...its more a fated forced change.

The tower is also change, its shake up that is likely to again be unavoidable, and i often find that in many situations the wheel of fortune situation becomes a tower situation when people try to hold on to the current situation.

I see the world as culmination rather then strictly change, a change might have to take place to come to the world, but the card it self i dont see as change

Thanks for your take as well

I am definitely gonna note down these minor differences per card se into my journal. Not thanking everyone individually, but yes your takes have definitely broadened my understanding about these cards...

Cheers..!