the wheel of fortune is always about karma?

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@ Zechariah13 ...

[Thirteen]

Originally Posted by Zechariah13

So, Thirteen, could i summarize your entire past 3 posts in the below phrase?

Shit happens.

well, in my original post I put it a little more delicately: "Stuff happens." I have to maintain a certain lady-like decorum after all--but I like yours better

[Zechariah13]

Originally Posted by Thirteen

well, in my original post I put it a little more delicately: "Stuff happens." I have to maintain a certain lady-like decorum after all--but I like yours better

lol

But it's true, especially because very few good things happen at no expense to someone, so if the Wheel brings something good to you, it has taken something from someone else too. Not everyone can win at roulette after all. Especially if it's a Russian one

[PAMUYA]

Originally Posted by Thirteen

As I made up this fictional boss let me tell you what really, really happened. He had a terrible childhood and was abused by his mother. He hates women. He was given a side-wise promotion and made boss over you and others--meaning he doesn't know any of you personally. Because of the economy, the company has lost money and the CEO, scared and worried, yelled at him to lay off one of his new underlings, reminding him that his job wasn't all that secure either. He doesn't feel any remorse about firing someone, that's business. But he is having a bad day because he's worried about losing his job.

He looks out at his new employees, studies their records. They're all about equal in how well they do their job. But you're a woman, and given the bad mood he's in, he'd rather fire a woman. So. You're right the actual cause of you being fired happened long before this day...but YOU didn't do anything in the past to earn it. And the boss wasn't having a bad day because he knew he had to fire you. He was having a bad day for other reasons, and his firing of you was all because of the "karma," fate, forces, whatever on him. Not on you.

What I'm getting at here is this: Sometimes the other person is at fault and we have to be willing to blame them for their actions, as much as we have to be willing to take the blame for our actions. Maybe this isn't what you were getting at and I'm misunderstanding, but I'm afraid you kinda lost me, in turn, by saying there is no randomness. I'm especially confused by why it's a delusion to think the boss fired you because he had a bad day, rather than that he was having a bad day because he had to fire you. It might be true, but the other way around might be equally true--not a delusion. After all, we don't think that the drunk driver who mows down a woman on the sidewalk decided to get drunk because he knew he had kill someone. Are you sure there's not any such thing as "randomness"? Should we let the driver off the hook because it was the woman's destiny to be killed or she was somehow to blame for her own murder?

I know I'm probably overstating the case, but I really do think it's important to remember that other people have their own fates and karmas and the freedom to take the actions they want to take. And sometimes what happens to us has nothing to do with us. Its all on them. I think it important to remember this because otherwise we might end up blaming the victim. Or staying in a bad situation because we believe we deserve it or have earned it or have to take it--or, that it being our fault, that we can change it...when in fact, we have nothing to do with it. Many a battered woman, spouse of an addict, child of an abusive parents, stays in such relationships because they do think they have something to do with it. Once they place the blame where it belongs, however, they can get out of the relationship and get on with their lives.

This is why I think it's important to remember that there is randomness, and there are other factors to blame...it's not always us. I hope that makes sense.

Thank you for taking the time expressing your opinion.

[Thirteen]

Just to wrap up my thoughts here: if we ask the cards "Why did my boss fire me? What did I do wrong?" we might get the 4/Cups and say, "Oh, wow, the cards are right, I was lazy and dissatisfied and complained a lot...it's my own fault." Or we might ask "Why did my boss fire me? What's wrong with him?" and we could get the 4/Pents and recognize that he fired us because he was greedy and wanted to save money. It wasn't our fault, it was him. There are 77 cards that, more or less, can help us understand "why" something happened (or will happen) in a certain way.

But if we ask, "Why did my boss fire me?" and we get the Wheel, then we've gotten the one card (1 out of 78!) that wants us to know that "why" isn't important. When the weather gets cold and snow comes down, we don't ask "Why is winter here? Did I do something wrong in a past life?" We know that the earth turns around the sun and winter comes. And knowing this, we get out our sweaters and warm blankets. We don't ask why, we just react. The Wheel says that this event we're asking the cards about, however personal it feels, is like that. An action from the outside that occurs/occurred and affects/affected us. Like the boss fired us because the company we worked for changed and couldn't use us any longer.

You can believe there's a greater purpose behind such events and there is no randomness, or you can believe things do happen randomly and there is good/bad luck. That's entirely up to you. But the Wheel doesn't, I think, weigh in on either side of this argument. All the card does is to make sure you understand that the wheel is turning and you're going to have to deal. That is, I think, its particular job. The other 77 cards may loudly and unequivocally let you know if what's happened (or will happen) is karmic reward/payback or if someone's to blame, or if it was fated to be. They will weigh in on that argument. But this one, IMHO, won't.

[mia28]

Originally Posted by Eliana_love

This card is driving my crazy!
I've always read this card as ups and downs, which makes part of life. But this card also points to karmic relationships, or karmic situations.
Does this card always refers to destiny?
I'd like to hear some opinions!

Hi i have not read what others have wrote here but usally for me id associate justice as bit of a karma card.

[PAMUYA]

Originally Posted by Thirteen

Just to wrap up my thoughts here: if we ask the cards "Why did my boss fire me? What did I do wrong?" we might get the 4/Cups and say, "Oh, wow, the cards are right, I was lazy and dissatisfied and complained a lot...it's my own fault." Or we might ask "Why did my boss fire me? What's wrong with him?" and we could get the 4/Pents and recognize that he fired us because he was greedy and wanted to save money. It wasn't our fault, it was him. There are 77 cards that, more or less, can help us understand "why" something happened (or will happen) in a certain way.

But if we ask, "Why did my boss fire me?" and we get the Wheel, then we've gotten the one card (1 out of 78!) that wants us to know that "why" isn't important. When the weather gets cold and snow comes down, we don't ask "Why is winter here? Did I do something wrong in a past life?" We know that the earth turns around the sun and winter comes. And knowing this, we get out our sweaters and warm blankets. We don't ask why, we just react. The Wheel says that this event we're asking the cards about, however personal it feels, is like that. An action from the outside that occurs/occurred and affects/affected us. Like the boss fired us because the company we worked for changed and couldn't use us any longer.

You can believe there's a greater purpose behind such events and there is no randomness, or you can believe things do happen randomly and there is good/bad luck. That's entirely up to you. But the Wheel doesn't, I think, weigh in on either side of this argument. All the card does is to make sure you understand that the wheel is turning and you're going to have to deal. That is, I think, its particular job. The other 77 cards may loudly and unequivocally let you know if what's happened (or will happen) is karmic reward/payback or if someone's to blame, or if it was fated to be. They will weigh in on that argument. But this one, IMHO, won't.

I do understand where you are coming from, was there myself at one time. I do agree that the Wheel can be read how ever it comes to each person.

May you be free from suffering and always find happiness.

[Thirteen]

Originally Posted by PAMUYA

I do understand where you are coming from, was there myself at one time. I do agree that the Wheel can be read how ever it comes to each person.

Back atcha I know where you're coming from, was there myself at one time.

"I look out of this window and I think this is a cosmos, this is a huge creation, this is one small corner of it. The trees and birds and everything else and I'm part of it. I didn't ask to be put here, I've been lucky in finding myself here."
--Morris West

[Kali Kitty]

Originally Posted by Zechariah13

Really? That's the first time i've ever heard that.

Hehe. I was being spontaneous! The gist of that image for me was the evolutionary race and how it's a game of chance whether you're predator or prey, or whether you even make it to the egg to become an embreyo.

Or is the term "cloud of sperm" scientifically incorrect? Probably is. I don't know what else to call a big group of 'em..

[Eliana_love]

Wow! So many opinions!
This is a card which I'm getting constantly (at least lately).

Zechariah13, your absolutely right, at least from my point of view.

Thirteen, i loved your story! I knew karma affects us that way, but I always thought it comes back when we meet again the person we've stold something from. I never thought it could someone else, like a boss, who's got nothing against me. That freaks me out! I always thought, that if I'm mistaken, I should apologize to the person or wait until that person needs something I can help them with. So, I'll have less consequences. Of course that the example of the boss you gave me, tells me that not always the consequences come from the people we've hurt. I really understood something important for me (which is we don't control ANYTHING), while reading your example. Thanks!