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In the companion book does she talk about the symbolism in the cards or give a description of what's being depicted in the cards? Like the infamous butterfly in the Queen Swords? Does she give any indication of why she put it there or what it means? __________________ Smile. It makes people wonder what you're thinking.... |
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In the deck, there are only 2 sword cards that hold butterflies, the ace and queen. Under the Ace- the butterflies are written as a symbol of transition and air. Moving to the queen, the book has "In one hand she holds a sword drawn, in the other a butterfly lights gently on her finger. She's ready for battle when necessary, though she prefers to keep matters civilized. The clouds of conflict part, illuminating the Queen of Swords with the light of hope which rests on the horizon." Which, let me to thinking a great deal about the suit of swords in general, and the queen in specific. The suit of swords is typically wrought with conflict- though the element of air can bring intellect and communication. The queen, being water of air, may be ruled more by thought than emotion, but she holds the ability to be tempered by her emotions, which is lacking in the other court cards of this suit. It reminds me of the write up in Pollack's 78 Degrees of Wisdom- that the queen symbolizes experiences of both sorrow and wisdom, and the connection between the two. She has experienced pain and suffering, faced it with courage and through it has found wisdom and understanding. Her sword is the sword of Justice and the Ace of Sword- standing upright with wisdom and the clarity of truth. Although she can be harsh, her lessons have tempered her force and authority- allowing her the ability to retain compassion and avoid maliciousness. So, in the end, what I had originally thought of as WTF??? has now become very clear. Those butterflies represent what the others have failed to see, and is only present in the Ace and Queen- that the intellect alone cannot rule, and though the swords represent thought and air, thanks to the queen, we have an element of compassion and strength that can help us through the times when the trials of the swords come into our lives. That is my take anyway- and other thoughts are appreciated.
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The Robin Wood Queen of Swords wears a robe decorated with butterflies. In the book that accompanies the deck Robin Wood points out that they represent the transformative power of knowledge. If we accept that the Sword Queen is the most intellectual Queen then the symbol of the butterfly makes sense. A multi-coloured butterfly would represent the transformative power of knowledge in many areas... Hope this might be of some help...
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Most of the expansion that you'll find in moving from the LWB to the companion book does not occur in the area of card meanings -- any added material about those meanings is honestly more on the level of cosmetic additions than anything else (which is kind of sad, as I always like to know what a deck creator was thinking, but it is what it is here). The additional material that does enliven the companion book is more in terms of the artist laying out some of her own underlying general Tarot beliefs, summarizing the meanings of the suits and Minor Arcana numbers (which, as Penthasilia said, may not seem to be of critical importance to the more seasoned Tarot enthusiast), and in outlining a pretty generous helping of possible spreads to attempt. If getting the book would involve prohibitive shipping costs, then it's true, it should probably be considered very carefully, since I think most people buy these books to get beefed up sections about the creation and meanings of the individual cards, which you won't get too much of here...but personally, I'm still glad I got it, and I do like having the information in a more attractive and durable book form, and the added materials it does include are helpful for me to have as reference. |
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Citizen
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Wow, this is some fantastic analysis! I love -- and now agree with -- the way you referenced the Ace (and Justice, too), and correctly cited the presence of butterflies in only those two cards out of the suit (something I hadn't noticed or taken into account at all!), which thus links them together. I also now agree that you're totally onto something as far as the butterflies in the Queen card not representing some artistic lapse or odd choice that "weakens" the Queen, but rather as a deliberate effort to showcase her uniqueness even among the rest of her native suit. My original take was "Why would the Page be more fierce and bad-ass than the Queen...??!"...but I think you're right: the Queen isn't more frail or fluffy at all; she just has evolved to the point where she doesn't need to rely solely on cutting into things with her sword. She can still do that, too, sure -- possibly better than the Page and the Knight if pressed to do so! -- but it's not the only avenue open to her. She's more versatile than that. Having said all that, maybe a raven or two in addition to the butterflies still wouldn't have been a horrible thing...?
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Anyone else ever see the Queen of Swords as a quick-witted, excellent communicator kind of figure? I don't always see her entirely in this way but I do think that she can have this aspect. Like Elizabeth Bennett from "Pride and Prejudice. Witty, clever, and strong-willed. Or Beatrice from Shakespeare's "Much Ado About Nothing." This particular card also makes me think of a character from a Rossini opera "The Barber of Seville" named Rosina. She runs the show and one critic described her as a "steel butterfly." The other way I view her is probably the more traditional interpretation of a woman who has become wise (or if ill-dignified hardened and perhaps cruel) through sorrow or hardship. __________________ "You know, sometimes I think you've got icewater in those veins and other times I think you're just a naive little schoolteacher." Colonel Tigh to Laura Roslin Last edited by Starlily; 23-01-2012 at 20:13. |
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You know, you're probably right...um, please disregard my suggestion... Quote:
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Thank you so much Penthasilia - I really appreciate all the detail you've gone into. I must admit that it's those little extras and insights that you've mentioned that I like and I probably would like the book. I think it's one to put on my wish-list to consider if I get the spare cash. I agree with your take on the Q of Swords too - it makes sense ![]() Thank you again
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Okay - I officially love this deck. I've just done a reading for this month's circle and they are such great cards. I got so much out of them and I really didn't expect that. I see myself getting that book in the future
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