Physical Death - The cards really do know 8-0

[daphne]

I also take Death card as a transformation card. And mostly, this is the case.

One time, I was using a deck for daily draws, one card each morning. One time I had Death, ok, no nice to see, must be some transformation, I said to myself.

Later that day I heard of the death of a far away relative I haven`t seen from childhood. I could not stop thinking then at the coincidence with the Death card.

[Scibility]

Originally Posted by Luminosa

Scibility,

Yes, Collette is good, but penetrating the tarot is always to ask yourself WHY, and when you find the answer then you understand the card message. For that purpose, I prefer writings/books/opinions, not necessarily from the French school (for me there is only one tarot, and its nationality is the world) that make you stop and think deeply, establishing what I would call “arcana philosophy”, i.e., do the High Priestess is always seated, with no action, or are there times that she stands up and moves, and in what circumstances this would happen? These books would not strictly deal with meanings, but with detailed explanations of iconography, and I am referring to the Marseille deck with which I work. Among many, I like Jodo’s “La Voie du Torot” (there is a Spanish version), Les Arcanes Majeurs, Les Arcanes Mineurs, La Pratique Divinatoire des 78 Arcanes du Tarot, all three by Corinne Morel, Tarots: Pratiques et Interprétations (Marcel Picard), Tarot Mode d’Emploi (Alain Bocher).

As I said before, card number should be observed as well as duality, and the perception of interaction is fundamental. I really think that we can be misled if we take cards for their “face value” and attribute fixed meanings to them.

And Zezina, yes, the 6 of Swords can indicate death. A friend of mine unfortunately had her mother-in-law die with this card. What I have also observed is that this may happen with suit of Cups, but I have not come to understand the reason. One day I hope I will!

Lu

Thanks for all the great pearls of wisdom Luminosa. I love how you incorporate astrology in your readings. Thanks also for the book suggestions. I've added them to my to do list. Your feedback has been very illuminating

[Scibility]

Originally Posted by NikkiB

Great thread, how did I miss this!

I had a run of animals dying at one point, it was awful, I lost a beloved sheep, two elderly cats i'd had for 18 and 16 years and a 41 year old horse in a very short period of time and the card that came up for all of them when I was reading on their health and and I hoped recovery was the 8 of cups frequently with death but not always so for me the 8 of cups meaning was broadened to include a passing if the other cards concur.

I took it as a passing which indicated that they were ready to go and would be continuing their soul journey with that passing - it did bring me comfort despite finding it painful.

Sorry to hear about your animals :-( they can become such a huge part of our lives, and in many ways they seem to have a deeper connection with "life" than we as humans do. I could see how the 8 of cups could be seen as grief from death although I wouldn't have read it that way normally. It's always interesting how different cards have such personal meanings to everyone. Did you realize the meaning of the cards at the moment you drew them or in hindsight?

Originally Posted by MissJo

I don't doubt that Death can signify a physical death, though my cards have yet to alert me in that way.

The most surprising for me was getting Five of Cups and The Star to represent a recent death. It had to do with a crow somebody shot in the chest with a pellet gun.. I thought that the reading first meant that the crow was going to recover, but then I found out later that week that s/he actually died. Well, Five of Cups wasn't really that surprising, but The Star was.

I hope your cards never alert you in that way MissJo. Seriously though, that's really interesting, because Luminosa also had the Star representing AIDS for a client. The Star is really puzzling to me too, because it's often seen as a card of hope! I've heard of passing on to a better place, but really...the star of all cards? Go figure?

[Scibility]

Originally Posted by Stam123

My experience was i was doing a general reading for myself, and asking is there any thing i need to know message for me etc.
The cards were not in this order. more were reversed than upright. Death, the Tower, king of swords, 3 of swords, 4 of swords and the five of cups
i cant remember the four other cards (it was a celtic cross spread) off the top of my head its written down somewhere. But as i sat there before i began to read the celtic cross how i usually would this just jumped out at me like anything. my first thoughts were death, an older man something to do with in their sleep resting calm, something to do with their heart. I didnt like what i saw so shuffled again + the same bloody cards came out all of those main ones that i mentioned with maybe the 8th card different. id freaked out by this point and put them away then a day later dealt again + the same cards came out again the main ones with the first and 7th card different. now i was spooked I sat there raking my brain who is this person ? trying to work out the personality of the king of swords and any indication of time frame as the main suit was swords that was visible i took that as winter season wise. It was winter and as swords is the fastest out the four suits i knew it wasn't talking months or years. This was happening soon. I was really spooked and thought your having a laugh pull your self together. gathered the cards shuffled them all again and said ok then what theres going to be a death... if that is so give me a sign and drew 1 card and guess what it was the death card again. Out of all 78 cards and that one had to rear its head. Ive had quite a few uncanny readings like this which has made me very weary now of the cards. well to end the story less than a week later a close family friend (my best friends dad! Infact died of a apparent heart attack in his sleep. I believe that reading was about her dad.

I dont know who controls the cards but since i started doing them i feel a presence not a negative one but either way it freaks me out. All of my readings so far have been very accurate. this fascinates and scares me. Is the tarot anything to do with the spirit world or spirit guides. This still confuses me ???

Thanks for sharing your experience Stam123. It was really nice to hear another person's experience with this. It does sort of throw you off for a bit, and I completely understand your comment about feeling wary. For me it's not so much about feeling wary though, it's more about having a particular belief shaken, and now trying to pick up the pieces to decide where to now, or what now. It's all fascinating, and mind-boggling at the same time. It's certainly good to know you're not alone. I've been reading some other threads where people are seeking answers to where they stand on all these types of things. I wish I had answers for them, or something concrete to contribute to their search, but really I think it boils down to having one's own experience, and then sorting through it. After that, there is no more room for questioning or uncertainty... You simply know what is, and what can potentially be. It's completely humbling, and just reading your recent posts says so much about how it has affected you too.

[Luminosa]

Scibility,

Cards have many levels of interpretation and, for the Star, hope, is just one of them!

[Scibility]

Originally Posted by Luminosa

Scibility,

Cards have many levels of interpretation and, for the Star, hope, is just one of them!

You're completely right Luminosa. I agree! I just had never included the Star as a possibility for physical death. But now, thanks to you and Miss Jo, i'll never forget that the Star can mean "A star in heaven " :-)

[Scibility]

Originally Posted by SunChariot

Depending on your view of all this. Death can be a transformation. Either a transformaton from the physical realm to the spiritual one, or if you belief in reincarnation...transforming from one life to the next.

Death for me means something ending to make room for somethign better that is to come from it. That can also mean physical death, depending on your beleifs. the Phyiscal life ending to go on to the spiritual plain which may be thought of as a better place.

Well said, and I agree completely. That's all it has ever meant for me, and in most cases I see transformation as a really good thing ultimately. Like Shrek says, "change is good Donkey!" :-) I don't think people should fear the Death card. It can bring lots of good things behind or with it. I just never in a thousand years expected it to give me a reading in reference to physical death; so it was enlightening and completely unsuspecting.

[Scibility]

Originally Posted by daphne

I also take Death card as a transformation card. And mostly, this is the case.

One time, I was using a deck for daily draws, one card each morning. One time I had Death, ok, no nice to see, must be some transformation, I said to myself.

Later that day I heard of the death of a far away relative I haven`t seen from childhood. I could not stop thinking then at the coincidence with the Death card.

I'm really glad you posted your experience, and also shared your idea about the transformation part of it. It's important as a reminder that the death card has many interpretations. I started the thread to open dialogue about the fact that it really does happen. For people who haven't had the experience (yet) they'll be able to see how the cards presented in cases that were confirmed. Sorry to hear about the person's passing. I'm sure it was quite a shock for you too!

[Scibility]

For those who are members, you would have to refer to this thread
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Out of respect for the family, and the person who was making the inquiry on the forum, I did not post my thoughts on this reading... Unfortunately this person passed away, and for the sake of learning on the forum, I thought I would add this to the list we've started...

My initial feeling when I saw the 5 of pentacles in this layout was not good, and the Ace of pentacles in this particular deck stood out to me specifically because of the Bold imagery... You can see the card in the original thread.

If you research the story of "Jack of the Lantern", it becomes very very very clear that the cards were speaking of this person's unfortunate passing (based on the main character of the story passing away)

My condolences to the family and friends of this person. My heart weeps hearing about this.

[Girl Archer]

I had the four of swords and ten of swords pop up randomly in a celtic cross when I asked what was going on with someone I have not spoken to in a very very long time... Less than 24 hrs later my neighbor was hospitalized and he is pretty much on the brink. Then I come home to get a call from a relative half way across the world that I have not spoken to in months and I find out that someone's great grandfather whom i have never even seen passed away. I cannot help but think those cards were relating to the hospitalizing and death respectively. And yet, how can this pop up in someone else's reading? Tell me this is all a huge coincidence please? How does it even tie up? Once again i am stumped by how small the world is and how connected each one of us is, to the Universe. Not to forget the marvel that the tarot is and its way of passing on messages!

Also, i would like to add five of pentacles to the death cards pile. After I heard this news, it stopped appearing. Till then I was wondering what that card meant. Unfortunately I have seen a predominance of pentacles has also been indicative of ending of life processes. Likewise with the Eight of cups and my condolences to every one of you out there who has lost their loved ones...