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What does the Hierophant + Sun combo mean? Wrt love readings and otherwise?
Both of them are "marriage cards". So, together I would think that they reinforce the idea that this couple would marry? Or if the couple were expecting a child, then it would be a boy?



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What does the Hierophant + Sun combo mean? Wrt love readings and otherwise?
Both of them are "marriage cards".
Um, no, the Sun isn't a marriage card (where did you read that?). The Sun is sometimes seen as a pregnancy card, or a prediction that a pregnant woman will have a boy or twins.

And I wouldn't say that this combo predicts marriage or even indicates love; it relates to elements outside of the relationship that would urge the couple to marry because it's tradition and it makes sense. Meaning that the couple is not following instincts, passion, their hearts, romance, or even a "soul-mate" connection. They're looking at the situation and saying, "We seem very well suited and happy with each other; we share the same traditions and moral values. Marriage is right."

The relationship is more of a social/moral/rational partnership.

Either that or pregnancy is making them feel they need to marry--again because the social traditions and morals they hold say as much.
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What does the Hierophant + Sun combo mean? Wrt love readings and otherwise?
Both of them are "marriage cards". So, together I would think that they reinforce the idea that this couple would marry? Or if the couple were expecting a child, then it would be a boy?
Why marriage cards? People keep saying that to me. Tarot keeps not saying that to me.

The Hierophant indicates two things for a new relationship: that one or both people need to learn from previous failed relationships in order not to repeat the failure, and that the relationship will run best if it fits in with the cultural backgrounds and accumulated traditions of both people.

The Sun tells me that there is a lot of raw energy there, which can be both good and bad (the sun burns, the sun causes cancer, the sun causes plants to wither and die in summer). Also, that any skeletons in the closet that you don't want the other to know are very likely to come out anyway (so be the one to tell them!). Direct that energy the way you want - harness the force, don't let it drag you along.



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Sun is the card suggesting we learn about ourselves through relationships... There are usually 2 mirrored children playing in the picture suggesting others are mirror to ourself. I would add to replies posted about that partners have to work out what they want individually so that they know what they actually want from their partner. Then they can work as a couple. These cards are about working out a relationship on a mental level, not emotional one so i also agree, its not that much about love. If you wanna look at them as marriage cards, its more like marriage cuz of convenience (or as already said pregnancy), not love.



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Um, no, the Sun isn't a marriage card (where did you read that?). The Sun is sometimes seen as a pregnancy card, or a prediction that a pregnant woman will have a boy or twins.

=> Gosh, this IS embarrassing.. But I guess it is okay to admit that I learned this marriage card stuff via some youtube videos and a few sites which I don't remember now. This was right in the beginning, about four years back and it has kind of stuck on, since then.I see that I need to re examine a lot of things now, especially regarding what I know and don't know about the cards...

And I wouldn't say that this combo predicts marriage or even indicates love; it relates to elements outside of the relationship that would urge the couple to marry because it's tradition and it makes sense. Meaning that the couple is not following instincts, passion, their hearts, romance, or even a "soul-mate" connection. They're looking at the situation and saying, "We seem very well suited and happy with each other; we share the same traditions and moral values. Marriage is right."

The relationship is more of a social/moral/rational partnership.

=> Now I get it. It is more like, Marriages of convenience?

Either that or pregnancy is making them feel they need to marry--again because the social traditions and morals they hold say as much.
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Why marriage cards? People keep saying that to me. Tarot keeps not saying that to me.

The Hierophant indicates two things for a new relationship: that one or both people need to learn from previous failed relationships in order not to repeat the failure, and that the relationship will run best if it fits in with the cultural backgrounds and accumulated traditions of both people.

The Sun tells me that there is a lot of raw energy there, which can be both good and bad (the sun burns, the sun causes cancer, the sun causes plants to wither and die in summer). Also, that any skeletons in the closet that you don't want the other to know are very likely to come out anyway (so be the one to tell them!). Direct that energy the way you want - harness the force, don't let it drag you along.
Thanks for your insight, Nisaba. Fascinating. I will keep this in mind.

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Sun is the card suggesting we learn about ourselves through relationships... There are usually 2 mirrored children playing in the picture suggesting others are mirror to ourself. I would add to replies posted about that partners have to work out what they want individually so that they know what they actually want from their partner. Then they can work as a couple. These cards are about working out a relationship on a mental level, not emotional one so i also agree, its not that much about love. If you wanna look at them as marriage cards, its more like marriage cuz of convenience (or as already said pregnancy), not love.
Thanks JHC. That certainly makes sense.



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What does the Hierophant + Sun combo mean? Wrt love readings and otherwise?
Both of them are "marriage cards". So, together I would think that they reinforce the idea that this couple would marry? Or if the couple were expecting a child, then it would be a boy?
That is an interesting question and combination!

To me, The Hiero is about your upbringing, your moral values, your inner "programming", the values you were taught by your parents who learnt it from theirs who learnt it from their, what is expected of you, what society expects of you, peer pressure...all that kind of stuff. It can eitehr be about adhering to that or rebelling against it, ....depending.

The Sun is about all the good stuff that the real sun brings: warnth, good poitive warm feeligns, joy, optinism, healing, light, brightness...etc.

Together? Hmmm...It coiuld be about expressing warmth and positive feelings in the way you learnt to growing up kind of thing, of not expressing them in ways that are no socuallay acceptablle.

Eg someone may not believe in public shows of affection and only kiss his partner when they are alone. Os someone may have been brought up to be leive that it is only appropriate to express optimistic feelings and any hide any other feelings they haave from others and not wnat top talk about them.

The Sun has no connecttion to marraige for me. The Hierophant only menans marriage to me personallay when it is reversed. So If it did come up reversed iwth The Sun, yet that could have that meaning. It cuold be about a marriage and it wuold be a good, bright joyful , positive, feel good one.

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That is an interesting question and combination!

To me, The Hiero is about your upbringing, your moral values, your inner "programming", the values you were taught by your parents who learnt it from theirs who learnt it from their, what is expected of you, what society expects of you, peer pressure...all that kind of stuff. It can eitehr be about adhering to that or rebelling against it, ....depending.

The Sun is about all the good stuff that the real sun brings: warnth, good poitive warm feeligns, joy, optinism, healing, light, brightness...etc.

Together? Hmmm...It coiuld be about expressing warmth and positive feelings in the way you learnt to growing up kind of thing, of not expressing them in ways that are no socuallay acceptablle.

Eg someone may not believe in public shows of affection and only kiss his partner when they are alone. Os someone may have been brought up to be leive that it is only appropriate to express optimistic feelings and any hide any other feelings they haave from others and not wnat top talk about them.

The Sun has no connecttion to marraige for me. The Hierophant only menans marriage to me personallay when it is reversed. So If it did come up reversed iwth The Sun, yet that could have that meaning. It cuold be about a marriage and it wuold be a good, bright joyful , positive, feel good one.

Babs
Thanks, Babs. That too certainly makes sense. The person I had in mind is rather shut off in public but is a complete goofball around friends...



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