The Chariot has a pacifier?

**closrapexa** · 21-05-2004

Beneath the symbol of wings , which I take to be Caduceus, the seems to be a sheild or something with a symbol on it. Does anyone know what it is? It looks like a child's pacifier, but of course that can't be it...

Moongold · 21-05-2004

Acording to Rachel Pollack in "78 Degrees of Wisdom, that nut and bolt "thing" is called the "lingam and yoni" standing for Shiva the masculine principle and Parvati, the feminine principle, united in a single figure..

Pollack says that this myth demonstrates the value of focusing with all one' s attention on Victory wih the outcome of certain victory for so doing..

jentayu · 25-02-2005

Well, since the chariot card has 2 sphinxs and also the winged disk ( Horus if I'm not mistaken ), it certainly shows something about the Egyptian long time ago. As u can see, there's a black spihnx, symbolising the southern part of the Pharoahs ( the Nubians/Ethiopia if I'm not mistaken ) and there's also a white sphinx, that symbolizes the northern region, ( eg. nowadays Giza, Alexandria etc. ). Plus, at the back of the man, there's 2 city or castles, symbolising 2 kingdoms ( north and south ). This card shows victory of winning or conquring 2 kingdoms in being a single one ( unification of 2 kingdoms ). As u all know, before the unification, the crown of the pharoahs are different between these 2 kingdoms. After the unification, then there are 2 great symbols of power from both of the kingdoms that are put together side by side in each of the pharoahs crown ( like in the card, 2 different sphinx, under the man/one king, united by Horus, son of Ra ).

I just love this card, full of history

PS; I'm not sure also the symbol under the winged disk, it's still a mystery to me also. Anyone have any thoghts about that? please do tell.

spoonbender · 25-02-2005

Jentayu, why do you think the winged disk represents Horus? And I thought Horus was the son of Osiris and Isis, not of Ra?

**HudsonGray** · 25-02-2005

There's a pretty good size enlargement here: http://www.learntarot.com/bigjpgs/maj07.jpg

it looks, to me, like a wheel on an axle, turned vertical (a heraldry thing, they stylize items and put them at odd angles sometimes). I'm not sure if I'd see those as lingam and yoni (sexual parts?).

The winged disk probably is a standin for the winged sun the Egyptians used in their art, though it's modernly stylized - as are the sphynx's. Probably to show the Egyptian connection. OR it could be the winged sphere the Rosricans have. I'm not sure if the Freemasons had a connection to Rosricans, but it's a possibility.

jentayu · 25-02-2005

Sorry spoonbender n to you all........... I'm wrong there for sure. my mind was mingled with the legend of horus of behutet and the winged disk........ Sorry again, n thanx so much 4 correcting me spoonbender

**HudsonGray** · 25-02-2005

Wait! Wait! I found something. Apparently it is a lingam & yoni.
http://www.tarotpassages.com/old_moo...k/oneill/7.htm

jentayu · 25-02-2005

Thanks HudsonGray for the help

closrapexa Extemporaneous Join Date: 31 Jan 2004 Location: Israel Posts: 3,677	The Chariot has a pacifier? Beneath the symbol of wings , which I take to be Caduceus, the seems to be a sheild or something with a symbol on it. Does anyone know what it is? It looks like a child's pacifier, but of course that can't be it... __________________ "Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view" Obi-wan Kenobi

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jentayu Resident Join Date: 21 Feb 2005 Location: Mystical Kingdom Posts: 63	Brief info about the chariot Well, since the chariot card has 2 sphinxs and also the winged disk ( Horus if I'm not mistaken ), it certainly shows something about the Egyptian long time ago. As u can see, there's a black spihnx, symbolising the southern part of the Pharoahs ( the Nubians/Ethiopia if I'm not mistaken ) and there's also a white sphinx, that symbolizes the northern region, ( eg. nowadays Giza, Alexandria etc. ). Plus, at the back of the man, there's 2 city or castles, symbolising 2 kingdoms ( north and south ). This card shows victory of winning or conquring 2 kingdoms in being a single one ( unification of 2 kingdoms ). As u all know, before the unification, the crown of the pharoahs are different between these 2 kingdoms. After the unification, then there are 2 great symbols of power from both of the kingdoms that are put together side by side in each of the pharoahs crown ( like in the card, 2 different sphinx, under the man/one king, united by Horus, son of Ra ). I just love this card, full of history PS; I'm not sure also the symbol under the winged disk, it's still a mystery to me also. Anyone have any thoghts about that? please do tell.

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spoonbender Citizen Join Date: 08 Jan 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,041	Jentayu, why do you think the winged disk represents Horus? And I thought Horus was the son of Osiris and Isis, not of Ra? __________________ Hyperbole is the BEST thing ever!!

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HudsonGray Citizen Join Date: 26 Apr 2002 Location: I childproofed my house but they still get in. Posts: 4,934	There's a pretty good size enlargement here: http://www.learntarot.com/bigjpgs/maj07.jpg it looks, to me, like a wheel on an axle, turned vertical (a heraldry thing, they stylize items and put them at odd angles sometimes). I'm not sure if I'd see those as lingam and yoni (sexual parts?). The winged disk probably is a standin for the winged sun the Egyptians used in their art, though it's modernly stylized - as are the sphynx's. Probably to show the Egyptian connection. OR it could be the winged sphere the Rosricans have. I'm not sure if the Freemasons had a connection to Rosricans, but it's a possibility. __________________ You can give a cat a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Or you can teach a cat to fish, and he'll sit in his boat pouting all day because nobody gave him another fish. Last edited by HudsonGray; 25-02-2005 at 16:00.

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jentayu Resident Join Date: 21 Feb 2005 Location: Mystical Kingdom Posts: 63	oops...... Sorry spoonbender n to you all........... I'm wrong there for sure. my mind was mingled with the legend of horus of behutet and the winged disk........ Sorry again, n thanx so much 4 correcting me spoonbender

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Moongold Citizen Join Date: 08 Jun 2002 Posts: 7,723	Acording to Rachel Pollack in "78 Degrees of Wisdom, that nut and bolt "thing" is called the "lingam and yoni" standing for Shiva the masculine principle and Parvati, the feminine principle, united in a single figure.. Pollack says that this myth demonstrates the value of focusing with all one' s attention on Victory wih the outcome of certain victory for so doing..

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jentayu Resident Join Date: 21 Feb 2005 Location: Mystical Kingdom Posts: 63	Spaseebo ( Thank you ) :) Thanks HudsonGray for the help

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