Crossroads of Necessity: A Decision-Making Spread

Amanda

Crossroads of Necessity by Barleywine

Decks: Giant RWS, RWS, Original RWS/No reversals


Significator: Lovers -- To be (together), or not to be (together), that is the question. ;)

Decision #1: Choose my husband.

Challenge(s): Moon -- Certainly, anxiety and insecurity but I wouldn't quite say 'fear of the unknown' -- I was there, near-death so to speak, seeing the bright light at the end of the tunnel, ready to leave it all behind -- then next thing I knew I was back in my relationship. Discovering the mystery of what it would be like without him might still be calling to me.

Advantage(s): Temperance -- I'm not sure with this one. It seems we could become more tolerant of each other's differences.

Success Potential: Tower -- I'm not sure with this one as well. If destroying crap that doesn't serve the relationship and knocking down walls is part of the success story, then I'd say the potential is pretty great for success.

Failure Potential: 2 of Swords -- This feels like me right now. I need to decide: in or out. I can't keep sitting like this with a foot in the door, or that will certainly escort the relationship towards certain failure.

Quint/Outcome: Justice -- Clean slate?

Decision #2 -- Un-choose my husband.

Challenge(s): 9 of Cups -- Being happy on my own probably wouldn't be a problem; the challenge would probably rest with not having anyone specific to share it with, and therefore nothing /greater/. Still -- I'm not sure about that interpretation...

Advantage(s): Queen of Cups -- It seems this 9 + Queen are interacting here a bit. I'd perhaps be more comfortable and safe on my own; take good care of myself emotionally.

Success Potential: 3 of Pentacles -- Perhaps putting my efforts into work or labors of love (like home renovation).

Failure Potential: Death -- There'd still be a gaping hole of a void in my life where a marriage/relationship used to be. I wouldn't grow much with regard to love/relationships.

Quint/Outcome: Emperor -- Seems to play upon Death quite well. Total control over my life, including a miserable end that would be at least, for certain.
 

Barleywine

A good read.

I think moving from the Moon to Temperance is a stabilizing influence, but it doesn't last. Temperance is trying to put something together while the Tower is trying to take it apart. The Lovers is caught in the middle.

Regarding the Tower, I recently saw it described as the top of the tower being blown open to let the light(ning) in. Therefore, an "enlightening" experience or realization, like being "thunderstruck." It could simply be an epiphany that you're not getting where you want to go, leading to the static image in the 2 of Swords (a weak Lunar emphasis, Moon in Libra). That realization could be your success story, with Justice (the second expression of Libra energy) setting things to rights, possibly through some form of "tough love." (Saturn is exalted in Libra).

All of the "decision" cards in Chain #2 are of elementally negative polarity, suggesting a reduction in the sense of satisfaction you might feel by choosing this path. The Lovers is basically twiddling its thumbs and sighing loudly between the Queen of Cups and the 3 of Pentacles. Death has a finality to it, and the Emperor could be taking care of the "arrangements." Everything leading up to Death suggests "comfort zone" maintenance to me.

Decision Chain #1 seems much more vital and agreeable. The 2 of Swords looks like a "little death" compared to the "big Death" below it. The Tower can't be bothered with craftsmen carefully renovating the inside of the church, it has bigger plans for it. Temperance is active where the Queen of Cups is just passively pondering her future, while the Moon and the 9 of Cups are both expressions of "Nine-ness," a form of numerological perfection. so both chains start off on a roughly even footing.
 

LeFou

Greetings, Amanda! Just random chatting:

Lovers -- The strange power of Venus (attraction in the broadest sense, the glue of a relationship).

Moon -- Moon yields to the Sun and so might feel secondary and "hidden" at times.

Temperance -- Alchemy, fine-tuning, i.e., the magic is in making very small changes, not big changes.

Tower -- You weathered a big crisis (let's say), so you earn your stripes for that.

2 of Swords - Maybe waiting for the other shoe to drop?

Justice: Libra, cool air, learning the other's perspective. Have you seen any of those movies where they show events from one point of view, and then again from other pov's? It's a big aha. This card might echo Lovers (since Venus rules Libra).

9 of Cups -- Maybe: you get what you want, with the upside and downside (maybe a hint of solitude).

Queen of Cups -- Maybe this hints at some peace of mind?

3 of Coins -- Switching gears toward career and peers, maybe literally a promotion.

Death -- Maybe this just means divorce and how tough it can be?

Emperor -- Contrasting with Lovers, maybe it hints at "stable, but sterile" in a sense (since Venus = fertility). Coming after Death, it seems serious, older, wiser. Lovers is in a garden, focused on each other, but Emperor rules an empire and is "worldly," maybe a hint of lost innocence. Just some wild guessing, of course!
 

MandMaud

Lovers - did you select this or did it come out of the draw? If the latter, couldn't be more apposite for the question!

#1

You seem to have read the Moon ok. :)
Temperance sometimes refers to the "chemistry" between two people.

I would suspect the Tower refers to what went on last year (from your other threads :heart:): don't go on as if it didn't happen, make the change(s) it demanded or be challenged again in future to make them. And the 2S could indicate that staying on the fence is what leads to failure - ie if you take this path, be whole-hearted about it, don't keep re-making the decision.

Possibly the quint Justice means the marriage itself (a legal institution, vows) - but I'm guessing.


#2

I agree with your interpretation of the Cups. And they say that this is certainly the option that will feel safe, in the living-out of it.

But the 3P says (to me) it's a good beginning in material terms. And Death tells me you put the rift behind you, are a changed person coming out of this, and being so may be problematic (perhaps you'll feel put off men for a long time, or something like that). And of course you mourn. That's part of the deal with this path, doesn't in itself make it the wrong choice but don't expect to get out of the mourning process.

Are you sure the Emperor doesn't represent your husband himself? If it doesn't, then I agree with you on the control factor, plus structure as in "rules" - a refashioned set of rules, maybe, but still living within a system of accepted, rules to observe. One of you must "wear the trousers" (maybe taking it in turns).


All the cards for #1 are symmetrical, I mean "frontal", facing straight out of the card at you. This is about you... maybe you're on your own with the consequences, if you go this way.

Whereas for #2, the 9C is the only one looking out of the card. The Queen gazes (back) at the Nine, maybe needing to keep her mind on the gladness of being independent, using it as her "resource" (for strength). In the 3P everyone's focused on each other, working together, inward - and then Death moves on (towards the future). So with path #2 you are in a more chaotic (as in, less structured) situation but making progress... towards something whether that's personal growth or an improved material situation.

(On the other hand, having now read Barleywine's post, his reading of #2 makes a lot of sense. :) Also comparing the vertical pairs.)


And @ Barleywine - thank you for the epiphany interpretation for the Tower! I'll remember that one.


Amanda, quite apart from the cards, I suspect you already know your decision. It's just a case of waiting to know that you knew it all along. :heart:
 

Amanda

A good read.

I think moving from the Moon to Temperance is a stabilizing influence, but it doesn't last. Temperance is trying to put something together while the Tower is trying to take it apart. The Lovers is caught in the middle.

That makes sense because that's what it feels like; I don't have all the facts, there are still unknowns floating around (for me) as to what the hell he really meant or intended, since his actions were so grossly overstated from what he said later, and the disparity of implications between his thinking and emotions before and after-the-fact. So, how in the world do I try putting things together when there are so many pieces either missing or not adding up?

Regarding the Tower, I recently saw it described as the top of the tower being blown open to let the light(ning) in. Therefore, an "enlightening" experience or realization, like being "thunderstruck." It could simply be an epiphany that you're not getting where you want to go, leading to the static image in the 2 of Swords (a weak Lunar emphasis, Moon in Libra). That realization could be your success story, with Justice (the second expression of Libra energy) setting things to rights, possibly through some form of "tough love." (Saturn is exalted in Libra).

So...hm. Tough love? Like, the success of the relationship will be based on our ability to rectify a disaster? You know, I can't actually remember at this moment if he's ever apologized /to me/ but I do distinctly recall him breaking down in tears and apologizing for "defiling" /everything/. He did too; it was a very dramatic/explosive exit and he drug it out to be as painful and unnecessary as possible. That kind of behavior would absolutely not be acceptable a second time. I'm still questioning whether it's acceptable or not now, but definitely not a second time. Could that be it here? Not to accept the behavior that occurred? Or, do accept it because actions speak louder than words, and that's not a successful relationship at all. If I do, it might be like condoning it... which I definitely do not.

All of the "decision" cards in Chain #2 are of elementally negative polarity, suggesting a reduction in the sense of satisfaction you might feel by choosing this path. The Lovers is basically twiddling its thumbs and sighing loudly between the Queen of Cups and the 3 of Pentacles. Death has a finality to it, and the Emperor could be taking care of the "arrangements." Everything leading up to Death suggests "comfort zone" maintenance to me.

That makes sense to me; I wouldn't have to worry about making anyone else comfortable so to distinguish my comfort zone would be rather easy. What to do with the excess though... get a dog, volunteer my empathy/kindness/love to those in need some way...? LOL I wouldn't be short on offers to satisfy my sexual needs. :p The most I'd have to do is adjust my view on Love -- to go from something consecrated and made stronger and everlasting by the promise of marriage, to something that could be felt unbound and one night at a time with perhaps various people over time, until such a time another might stick. It's not what I'm used to, but not impossible to shift my view on that. I wouldn't be surprised either -- I tend to do things backwards in life and have joked about it. I'm 30 -- this is the age people start settling down. I've already been doing that most of my life, so it wouldn't be a surprise to suddenly bust out of it and be young, single, and free...ass-backwards from "the norm". LOL!

Decision Chain #1 seems much more vital and agreeable. The 2 of Swords looks like a "little death" compared to the "big Death" below it. The Tower can't be bothered with craftsmen carefully renovating the inside of the church, it has bigger plans for it. Temperance is active where the Queen of Cups is just passively pondering her future, while the Moon and the 9 of Cups are both expressions of "Nine-ness," a form of numerological perfection. so both chains start off on a roughly even footing.

You know, the more I look at these cards, the more I am enticed by the Moon-Challenge and Justice outcome. The Emperor just seems... like an asshole. That would probably be me... pulling a d*ck move, not only against him and the situation, but myself. After doing this spread, I'm thinking, who would I be without some chaos or destruction? I'm a problem-solver. That would be one bored Emperor... as you mentioned, thumb-twiddling around the Lovers. Okay, so 2 of Swords becomes the stalemate between the way things were and something else/new... the relationship will need some redefinition. This is going to be difficult; it's so hard to get a straight answer out of him about what he wants or where he sees things going, aside from blanket statements like, "Everything's going to be great!"

Example: We were just in the car on the way to the store to get some groceries today, and decided to get some fast-food while we were out. I asked him what he wanted; he didn't know. Ugh. So, I said, "Well, I definitely don't want burgers or pizza, so what are you in the mood for?" He still could not give me an answer. I actually said to him, "Please, just be decisive... as long as it's not burgers or pizza, I'll be happy." He finally settled on tacos, because our daughter was with us and he didn't believe she would want fish! I had already deferred decision-making to him, and he still could not simply say what he wanted.

Alternatively, when I /do/ decide something and say whatever it is that I want, he tends to be contrary -- sometimes, I think, just to be contrary. It pisses me off! :laugh:
 

Barleywine

"Tough love" to me means not letting someone you love off the hook for something they really should be held accountable for. Basically, you're hard on them for their own good, keeping them honest.
 

Amanda

Greetings, Amanda! Just random chatting:

Hi LeFou! :)

Lovers -- The strange power of Venus (attraction in the broadest sense, the glue of a relationship).

Also the ruling planet of my sign, Taurus. (My Venus also resides in Gemini, so another good reason to use this card.)

Moon -- Moon yields to the Sun and so might feel secondary and "hidden" at times.

Is "hidden" good, bad, or both for a Challenge? In that light, it could be highlighting the 'phases' relationships go through.

Temperance -- Alchemy, fine-tuning, i.e., the magic is in making very small changes, not big changes.

I check out what Bill Heidrick has to say about Major pairs sometimes... oftentimes subbing the Quint as the /beginning/ of a pair along with a card in the spread. For Justice/Temperance he suggests: "Adeptness in subtle forms of traditional psychology. A born witch. One who learns rapidly from slight experience. A person of whom it can be said that he or she knows things not learned." I do believe that is talking about details (as you allude to) that can only come with practice. Those often aren't 'big' or obvious things.

Tower -- You weathered a big crisis (let's say), so you earn your stripes for that.

What doesn't kill you... ;)

2 of Swords - Maybe waiting for the other shoe to drop?

Yes, that is an issue on my part that is not helping the situation.

Justice: Libra, cool air, learning the other's perspective. Have you seen any of those movies where they show events from one point of view, and then again from other pov's? It's a big aha. This card might echo Lovers (since Venus rules Libra).

Have you watched sense8 on Netflix? Love those points of view. (Warning: Not appropriate for kids.)

I was considering how this card might split the Moon right down the middle and create a choice within a choice. Will I go with crazy or normal here? LOL What does a non-traditional marriage look like? I have no idea... and perhaps, not being entirely afraid to find out is dangerous...?

9 of Cups -- Maybe: you get what you want, with the upside and downside (maybe a hint of solitude).

I like my solitude and can happily spend hours alone. I do like to have people around me however. Even if we're not doing anything -- just a presence feels nice.

Queen of Cups -- Maybe this hints at some peace of mind?

Perhaps. It might be easier to get that different perspective you mentioned earlier -- no one else around to mess up my feelings/view.

3 of Coins -- Switching gears toward career and peers, maybe literally a promotion.

Sounds on-point.

Death -- Maybe this just means divorce and how tough it can be?

Therein lies another question -- how tough would he make it when it's not his decision? He came at me in annihilation (that eventually tempered out) when it /was/ his decision. A good metaphor for my feelings when his leaving occurred would be like being woken from a peaceful sleep to find I'm being brutally butchered/murdered. That is how he approached ending things with me (I feel).

Emperor -- Contrasting with Lovers, maybe it hints at "stable, but sterile" in a sense (since Venus = fertility). Coming after Death, it seems serious, older, wiser. Lovers is in a garden, focused on each other, but Emperor rules an empire and is "worldly," maybe a hint of lost innocence. Just some wild guessing, of course!

Oh yeah -- lost innocence for sure, makes perfect sense based on what I just said about feeling murdered.
 

Amanda

Lovers - did you select this or did it come out of the draw? If the latter, couldn't be more apposite for the question!

Yes, as per Barleywine's directions, I selected the Lovers myself for the focus.

#1

You seem to have read the Moon ok. :)
Temperance sometimes refers to the "chemistry" between two people.

We have /great/ sexual chemistry. I'm not sure that could be found with anyone else.

I would suspect the Tower refers to what went on last year (from your other threads :heart:): don't go on as if it didn't happen, make the change(s) it demanded or be challenged again in future to make them. And the 2S could indicate that staying on the fence is what leads to failure - ie if you take this path, be whole-hearted about it, don't keep re-making the decision.

Sounds like you are in agreement here with Barleywine and his reference to "tough love" --not to go on as if it didn't happen. I completely agree with what you say regarding the 2.

Possibly the quint Justice means the marriage itself (a legal institution, vows) - but I'm guessing.

How important are the symbols (rings) to that? We have not put our rings back on. My reason is because he won't. His reason is that his ring never fit him right, and he almost lost a finger at work because of it. Certainly, I care about his finger, but on the other hand, I think, "You're not willing to lose a finger for me?" He suggests that we need new ones -- and practically speaking, I'm thinking that's a stupid idea because 1) we cannot afford that, and 2) why not just fix his ring to fit better? It's not entirely about the rings (for me) -- it's what his refusal to wear his might actually mean that I am cautious about.

#2

I agree with your interpretation of the Cups. And they say that this is certainly the option that will feel safe, in the living-out of it.

But the 3P says (to me) it's a good beginning in material terms. And Death tells me you put the rift behind you, are a changed person coming out of this, and being so may be problematic (perhaps you'll feel put off men for a long time, or something like that). And of course you mourn. That's part of the deal with this path, doesn't in itself make it the wrong choice but don't expect to get out of the mourning process.

Well, after some time, but probably not a long time, I probably wouldn't swear off men -- I'd probably swear off serious, long-term relationships. I wouldn't be moving anyone in or anything serious. That wouldn't just be to protect my children, that'd be to keep my own distance from messy, emotional entanglements.

Are you sure the Emperor doesn't represent your husband himself? If it doesn't, then I agree with you on the control factor, plus structure as in "rules" - a refashioned set of rules, maybe, but still living within a system of accepted, rules to observe. One of you must "wear the trousers" (maybe taking it in turns).

Oh well maybe! I'm not sure... that'd probably make this option a little bit scarier with an Emperor-man looming all over my peaceful cups. Have you ever noticed how the Emperor is looking kind of shifty-eyed towards the past? It creeps me out sometimes... like, what terrible thing has he done that he's hiding or trying to cover up?

All the cards for #1 are symmetrical, I mean "frontal", facing straight out of the card at you. This is about you... maybe you're on your own with the consequences, if you go this way.

Makes sense because I have no idea where he truly stands. He flipped his switch and flipped it back again a little too easily for my sense of comfort and security.

Whereas for #2, the 9C is the only one looking out of the card. The Queen gazes (back) at the Nine, maybe needing to keep her mind on the gladness of being independent, using it as her "resource" (for strength). In the 3P everyone's focused on each other, working together, inward - and then Death moves on (towards the future). So with path #2 you are in a more chaotic (as in, less structured) situation but making progress... towards something whether that's personal growth or an improved material situation.

Just to be clear, I would be sad if I no longer had this relationship. There were good times, whether they were false on his part or not, that allowed me to feel safe and loved. It's more about now being alerted to something more seriously being wrong than he let on, played a part for, and whether or not he is /now/ acting truthfully -even with just himself- to be clear enough to move along either together or apart. I never wanted him to leave, never expected anything like this to ever happen. Since it has, I now don't know what his truth really is. He completely undermined what he said and how he acted before; now saying and acting even better than before, how am I to trust that is not an even bigger lie (whether that's to himself, or me)? He is stubborn enough that he may lie to himself even harder, and I think that's something I should be aware of, as it does concern me as well.

(On the other hand, having now read Barleywine's post, his reading of #2 makes a lot of sense. :) Also comparing the vertical pairs.)

And @ Barleywine - thank you for the epiphany interpretation for the Tower! I'll remember that one.

Amanda, quite apart from the cards, I suspect you already know your decision. It's just a case of waiting to know that you knew it all along. :heart:

I think it's coming down to, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Maybe I should give things another chance, with a lot of awareness towards the possibility of lightning striking twice in the same spot with such a wild-card husband... try to keep him honest, as Barleywine suggests, but if lightning does strike twice in the same spot, there's really no coming back from it... because I am not the type of person to make the same mistakes twice.
 

Maru

Decision 1:

Technically you're in Decision 1 stage, so I'm reading a little bit of the situation in these cards.

The Moon is a scary situation, but I think the Temperance hints at the possibility of there being equilibrium here established if the job of dealing with the Moon is shared by both parties. So maybe currently you and him focus on his fears because he was the one that left. It should be both of you at once that are facing your fears and illusions together. The advantage here is that balance is possible (Temperance) and that you do have a working situation at home, you do manage the children together, you do have a marriage that is workable. So there's a palette there at which to draw the different energies you can use throughout the course of this term to address certain issues. It's just that it will take dealing with the Moon's lesson/journey head on in order to get back into the light. He may not be willing to face his own fears. This means all the fears, baggage, it all has to come out before this path truly becomes a successful one. That it will become both your efforts.

Success Potential: Tower - Breakthrough. A realization for the better, whether it breaks you apart or not... going through the motions is not what this card is about. It will take an active effort on not only your part, but his to help you BREAK through the bullshit. You're not done yet here with the work with him because of the Moon. Likely there's some life lesson here you're supposed to learn for yourself that will yield high returns. Either way, it's issues of the mind. Likely both of you have these demons playing tricks with your mind. So may you both see things that make you really anxious and thus is the situation. When you confront your fears and your inner demons directly (The Moon), you're welcoming the Tower, so you're welcoming a breakthrough. However, this process MUST happen for it to clear. Imo. This means marriage bootcamp either literally or not, this may mean counseling. Either way, the demons, whatever they are, MUST be dealt with.

Failure Potential: 2 of Swords - If you cannot break this stalemate that you BOTH have created... one where you won't deal with your fears/demons directly, then this is the likely path if you keep with the family. You will grow tired of the situation because there's no satisfying resolution here, so that will make the decision to leave easier.

Decision 2:

9 of Cups, I think this card is ill-dignified. It's not easy for you right now to tell whether this is satisfying or not. You don't necessarily know if the grass is greener on the other side. Ending a marriage is not as simple as he moves out and your life begins anew. It's a process. You have to break apart emotionally, decompartmentalize all the years you spent together and create a new routine, get lawyers, then you have to work out custody, etc etc... ultimately everyone will be looking out for themselves, so it's not quick and dirty. You will have to be sure this is what you want before you go through this. That you will actually be satisfied with the result.

Queen of Cups, still, with him gone, your inner voice comes back renewed. Your sense of being a woman who deserves respect will return. I think you would feel much more centered, more easily hear your voice and more in tune with your own needs. You're free of the Moon's influence, so it's no longer your problem. Except you now hear his voice from afar, so bare that in mind. You'd be gone, but there will still be that link. It won't be easy for the QoC to cut as she gets tethered deeply with those she cares the most about. That will include your children who will constantly be referring to "daddy" and of course your bond with them will confuse your emotional guidance systems for a bit, because when you used to instantiate "children" in your energy, it used to be "our children"... now it will be "my children". So you have to consider too that your empath/intuitive side may come back with a vengeance. It may make the separation much easier or it may make it much harder. It all depends on how ready you are to move forward with separation.

Success Potential: 3 of Pentacles - I saw this as dealing with lawyers too in addition to what you mentioned. It's all the projects you will undertake from here on out. Probably if you went this route, your dealings with him would have to be through a third party (so lawyers). Maybe because of the intuitive link, but probably for the sake of getting through the legal process. I think this is picking on your instinctual desire to keep it "civil" post-separation. So if you go in with this decision in mind and are sure this is what you want to do, then this would be the route. This is if you're ready for all that. He left you before in a bad way, so it was easy to be defensive and to turn a blind eye to his feelings. If you leave him, you'd have to show a lot more resolve to get through this "project", which would much longer with the impending divorce. Maybe he will not want to file immediately or maybe he will want to fight over little details. Either way, it's a big undertaking because divorces are never simple with children and other assets involved. Everyone wants their say in the project and to take ownership of the outcome (3 of Pentacles makes me think of group projects). So you will be fighting for your voice to be heard with regards to the outcome of your family as well. This could be your immediate family coming to your aid as well because they "back" this project.

Failure Potential: Death - I don't think you would be adversely affected in terms of relationship baggage. I think though there's a potential where your desire to divorce may "die" with the decision or your decision to go forward into another union with someone may "die". You regained a sense of independence prior and a sense of growth you had not felt before but you only had a taste of it. It may be a lot harder to be on your own than you may think and that may hit home for you and even make you reconsider divorce. Anyway, it will take time for your feelings to "die" which is what this card really says to me. Depending on how strongly you feel about divorce, your heart may not be able to wait that long and you may end up back where you started... which would be a new kind of Death (not a good one). So probably I think this is saying if you leave, you need to be sure you actually DO want to leave... or you risk just going back to the same situation and nothing changed. At least now, you have a clear agenda, you can talk to him and see if he's willing to take on more emotional responsibility. But the kicker is things that have to change... which is what hte Death says. I will come back, but ONLY, if some behaviors or mindsets have been eliminated and we're not going back the old way again. (Death)

Outcome: Emperor -- You're done trying to be managed by someone else who can't manage themselves. Here you are fearing the shoddy quality of structure in your marriage. It hints too at foundation issues that may make rebuilding the relationship a big task. So basically, you would need to rebuild this relationship from the ground up in order to start over where you were. This too is you feeling rushed to make a decision, because you're not sure whether or not this new Emperor's influence will continue to have a positive effect (so could be you taking control). Either way, the old Emperor was dethroned. This new guy is in power, but we don't know how long it will last. Keep in mind your own demons (refer to the Moon) that may cloud you to the issues in this relationship that may be addressed. It may be once that is clear and you see there's not enough material to build a lasting relationship of good sound quality, you will likely move on. So this Emperor is your relationship. If you fire the old builder and rebuild, will it be a good house anyone could live in? Would it be the house you'd WANT to live in? Either way, high emotions here are involved, so be careful to avoid any confusion with this situation and be clear your objectives when you work on this new building together. Make it a building you'd both be happy with. If he's not willing to do that work, then likely it's time to move on. That's where the 3 of pentacles comes in. This is a big undertaking... if it's not realistic or there's just not possibility here of it being done in a timely/reasonable manner, then you will need lawyers/your family/etc to help you rebuild your life. (3 of Pentacles).

Edit: If you saw the line of text at the top by itself, ignore that. I used Notepad to write the post and had some random note written there I forgot to remove before I wrote the post lol
 

Amanda

Decision 1:

Technically you're in Decision 1 stage, so I'm reading a little bit of the situation in these cards.

The Moon is a scary situation, but I think the Temperance hints at the possibility of there being equilibrium here established if the job of dealing with the Moon is shared by both parties. So maybe currently you and him focus on his fears because he was the one that left. It should be both of you at once that are facing your fears and illusions together. The advantage here is that balance is possible (Temperance) and that you do have a working situation at home, you do manage the children together, you do have a marriage that is workable. So there's a palette there at which to draw the different energies you can use throughout the course of this term to address certain issues. It's just that it will take dealing with the Moon's lesson/journey head on in order to get back into the light. He may not be willing to face his own fears. This means all the fears, baggage, it all has to come out before this path truly becomes a successful one. That it will become both your efforts.

I think my fears/insecurities are that he was and/or is continuing to lie to himself. If he was or is lying to himself, that is going to set me up for another fall here.

I know there is probably stuff he is not telling me or sharing with me, still. Not long after he came back and I was asking questions, he got very angry about it. Instead of dropping it or letting it go (like I might have normally done in the past) I pressed on and said, "No- I have questions that you need to answer." He got in my face and very aggressively told me to let it all go. I put my hand to his chest and pushed him back a bit and told him (calmly) to get out of my face. He grabbed me by the arms and pushed/threw me backwards three feet into the wall.

I don't want this information to become an attack on my husband. This was the first and only time he ever did something like that; I immediately saw red and jumped right back at him to smack him in the face and say, "Oh.. are you going to start beating me now? Is that your solution?" and told him if it was, he could get the f*ck back out -- the look on his face was the first honest thing I'd seen in a long time... horror, at what had just transpired between us.

Whatever he is hiding -- he was willing to physically fight over keeping it from me.

Success Potential: Tower - Breakthrough. A realization for the better, whether it breaks you apart or not... going through the motions is not what this card is about. It will take an active effort on not only your part, but his to help you BREAK through the bullshit. You're not done yet here with the work with him because of the Moon. Likely there's some life lesson here you're supposed to learn for yourself that will yield high returns. Either way, it's issues of the mind. Likely both of you have these demons playing tricks with your mind. So may you both see things that make you really anxious and thus is the situation. When you confront your fears and your inner demons directly (The Moon), you're welcoming the Tower, so you're welcoming a breakthrough. However, this process MUST happen for it to clear. Imo. This means marriage bootcamp either literally or not, this may mean counseling. Either way, the demons, whatever they are, MUST be dealt with.

Breakthrough -- yes, good term. I think some others alluded to that, but this is the term that hits the mark I think. This is giving me some ideas on how to approach this. It takes me beyond the problems/walls and looking at what aligns with the truth/solution... trust is gonna be key, I think. Why do people not tell you something? They don't trust you with it... why doesn't he trust me? I have no idea. I need to figure that out a bit more and make an approach based on that, perhaps.

Failure Potential: 2 of Swords - If you cannot break this stalemate that you BOTH have created... one where you won't deal with your fears/demons directly, then this is the likely path if you keep with the family. You will grow tired of the situation because there's no satisfying resolution here, so that will make the decision to leave easier.

I agree.

Decision 2:

9 of Cups, I think this card is ill-dignified. It's not easy for you right now to tell whether this is satisfying or not. You don't necessarily know if the grass is greener on the other side. Ending a marriage is not as simple as he moves out and your life begins anew. It's a process. You have to break apart emotionally, decompartmentalize all the years you spent together and create a new routine, get lawyers, then you have to work out custody, etc etc... ultimately everyone will be looking out for themselves, so it's not quick and dirty. You will have to be sure this is what you want before you go through this. That you will actually be satisfied with the result.

Well, who is satisfied with ending a marriage, really?
We started to go through that process. I think he realized it wasn't going to be as easy as he might have thought or hoped. I was satisfied that someone/something aside from me was showing him that. I didn't put up a fight with him, I just wanted it to be over with and made that clear that I didn't want to fight. He was the one swinging around in the dark. I helped him with his decision even though I didn't agree with it.

Queen of Cups, still, with him gone, your inner voice comes back renewed. Your sense of being a woman who deserves respect will return. I think you would feel much more centered, more easily hear your voice and more in tune with your own needs. You're free of the Moon's influence, so it's no longer your problem. Except you now hear his voice from afar, so bare that in mind. You'd be gone, but there will still be that link. It won't be easy for the QoC to cut as she gets tethered deeply with those she cares the most about. That will include your children who will constantly be referring to "daddy" and of course your bond with them will confuse your emotional guidance systems for a bit, because when you used to instantiate "children" in your energy, it used to be "our children"... now it will be "my children". So you have to consider too that your empath/intuitive side may come back with a vengeance. It may make the separation much easier or it may make it much harder. It all depends on how ready you are to move forward with separation.

I still catch myself sometimes saying, "My bedroom" or things like that -- that is how convinced I was that he was really done; I had already started the process of getting on with changing/adjusting my life and it still lingers now. I'm telling you, I was standing right there in the shadow of death, completely convinced it was done and knowing I had to move on, because this was his choice, and there was nothing I could do about it. I started focusing my will towards what I knew had to be done, because I couldn't control his free will/choice. Aside from begging, I felt I had done all I could truly do in the situation to try to understand him, and make my point clear that ending the relationship is not what I wanted. He remained adamant to his choice, so I let go.

If it were my choice, that would probably be harder. I might feel like I'm giving up; it's not about him needing to change, he seems to do that pretty hard and fast with powerful emotions that sway him. I would still wonder where he truly stood, probably.

Success Potential: 3 of Pentacles - I saw this as dealing with lawyers too in addition to what you mentioned. It's all the projects you will undertake from here on out. Probably if you went this route, your dealings with him would have to be through a third party (so lawyers). Maybe because of the intuitive link, but probably for the sake of getting through the legal process. I think this is picking on your instinctual desire to keep it "civil" post-separation. So if you go in with this decision in mind and are sure this is what you want to do, then this would be the route. This is if you're ready for all that. He left you before in a bad way, so it was easy to be defensive and to turn a blind eye to his feelings. If you leave him, you'd have to show a lot more resolve to get through this "project", which would much longer with the impending divorce. Maybe he will not want to file immediately or maybe he will want to fight over little details. Either way, it's a big undertaking because divorces are never simple with children and other assets involved. Everyone wants their say in the project and to take ownership of the outcome (3 of Pentacles makes me think of group projects). So you will be fighting for your voice to be heard with regards to the outcome of your family as well. This could be your immediate family coming to your aid as well because they "back" this project.

I have debated this; how I would go about it. I don't think I could approach him peacefully even though that is how I approached it last time. If this is the choice that /I/ make, I would not be able to give him space to try to talk me out of it. I would have to just go to a lawyer and do it. He would probably fight me now, without it being /his/ decision, and without having his own understanding on the matter.

Failure Potential: Death - I don't think you would be adversely affected in terms of relationship baggage. I think though there's a potential where your desire to divorce may "die" with the decision or your decision to go forward into another union with someone may "die". You regained a sense of independence prior and a sense of growth you had not felt before but you only had a taste of it. It may be a lot harder to be on your own than you may think and that may hit home for you and even make you reconsider divorce. Anyway, it will take time for your feelings to "die" which is what this card really says to me. Depending on how strongly you feel about divorce, your heart may not be able to wait that long and you may end up back where you started... which would be a new kind of Death (not a good one). So probably I think this is saying if you leave, you need to be sure you actually DO want to leave... or you risk just going back to the same situation and nothing changed. At least now, you have a clear agenda, you can talk to him and see if he's willing to take on more emotional responsibility. But the kicker is things that have to change... which is what hte Death says. I will come back, but ONLY, if some behaviors or mindsets have been eliminated and we're not going back the old way again. (Death)

I've told him before that if anything ever happened to him, I probably wouldn't marry anyone else. I'm not even sure I'd have a relationship with someone else.

We never cared to get married; I got pregnant, and still, neither of us were gung-ho about getting married, it truly didn't matter whether we did or not even with having a baby, marriage wasn't the first thing I thought of. Our grandparents insisted that a marriage happen. Sometimes I thank my female elders in this regard, for protecting me in this way by insisting he be a man and do this, because it was exactly the thing he was confronted with when trying to leave: his obligations to his wife and children- he wasn't confronted with this by me, but everyone else, which made it much more difficult for him to shirk responsibility and the consequences of his own choices. I was owning my choices and responsibilities, and doing it with love.

Outcome: Emperor -- You're done trying to be managed by someone else who can't manage themselves. Here you are fearing the shoddy quality of structure in your marriage. It hints too at foundation issues that may make rebuilding the relationship a big task. So basically, you would need to rebuild this relationship from the ground up in order to start over where you were. This too is you feeling rushed to make a decision, because you're not sure whether or not this new Emperor's influence will continue to have a positive effect (so could be you taking control). Either way, the old Emperor was dethroned. This new guy is in power, but we don't know how long it will last. Keep in mind your own demons (refer to the Moon) that may cloud you to the issues in this relationship that may be addressed. It may be once that is clear and you see there's not enough material to build a lasting relationship of good sound quality, you will likely move on. So this Emperor is your relationship. If you fire the old builder and rebuild, will it be a good house anyone could live in? Would it be the house you'd WANT to live in? Either way, high emotions here are involved, so be careful to avoid any confusion with this situation and be clear your objectives when you work on this new building together. Make it a building you'd both be happy with. If he's not willing to do that work, then likely it's time to move on. That's where the 3 of pentacles comes in. This is a big undertaking... if it's not realistic or there's just not possibility here of it being done in a timely/reasonable manner, then you will need lawyers/your family/etc to help you rebuild your life. (3 of Pentacles).

Hm... honestly, my dad would probably be the one to help me most. When my husband left I called upon him for help and he was very clear: "I will certainly help you and the kids with anything you need, but [your husband] is on his own!" I told my husband that, and he seemed genuinely disappointed that my dad no longer had his back, as my dad frequently has helped us both during times of need. Honestly though, since my husband left, things have only been getting better for me. I got a job immediately after he left, a job I truly enjoy doing that pays well for what feels like very little work to me, and I've been consistently getting raises in pay between my day job and tarot gigs. I've strengthened my credit, eliminated some debts, began renovating my home in preparation to rent it at some point, so that I may buy a house... it was like the floodgates of my willpower and 'get shit done' opened when he left. I don't think I'd need much help, if any, if I were to go this route, in rebuilding my life.