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The Magician & The Hierophant


These two cards came together in a reading for me. As I looked at them I thought the Magician looked free and the Hierophant looks serious.
If you compare robes (colors, one open the other closed, snake belt & 3 crosses, arms, crowns) and then analyse the rest of the two cards, you may see my point.

There is a yin/yang kind of balance here.
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The Magician and The Hierophant


Interesting insight . Also, see how one stands between sky and earth, the other sits between pillars, with both called upon to create unity. But why the joy with one, the seriousness with the other?...



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The Magician just seems more open to me. Maybe because he doesn't have the knowledge of the Hierophant?

Like your post also, didn't notice this. The Hierophant seems enclosed then between pillars and the other has open skys.
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Unique to Pamela Colman Smith's original design for XIX The Sun,
we are invited to join in the liberation of the spirit along with the infant
who is joyfully seen flourishing a red banner, reminiscent of the robes
so heavily prevalent on earlier cards, now freely cast off.

In the lower right-hand corner, just below her monogramme deluxe
may be seen the word LOVE. The ultimate 'as above, so below.'
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Quote:
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Unique to Pamela Colman Smith's original design for XIX The Sun,
we are invited to join in the liberation of the spirit along with the infant
who is joyfully seen flourishing a red banner, reminiscent of the robes
so heavily prevalent on earlier cards, now freely cast off.
Waite and Smith's design for the RWS Sun card is not that original or unique. It was clearly influenced by the Jacques Viéville Tarot deck's Sun card.

http://www.tarotpassages.com/vieville.htm

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Please explain the connection to The Magician & The Hierophant
from the Rider-Waite deck as that was the intended reference.
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In the lower right-hand corner, just below her monogramme deluxe
may be seen the word LOVE. The ultimate 'as above, so below.'
Just a couple of questions;

What is a "monogramme deluxe"?

I have a few versions of the Sun from the Waite deck, yet I can't find the word "LOVE" in any of them.

Is it in a particular version that you have, and if so, which one?


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There is a yin/yang kind of balance here.
Each does represent the initiation of renewal, where The Magician
as Air, letter 1 Aleph, is both the link to The Fool as Saturn, letter
22 Taw
, and The Hierophant as Aries, letter 5 He, springs forth from
The Sun as Pisces, letter 19 Qoph. Two very tangible appearances
of the mystery of the Lemniscate.

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i think that the magician, who cares only for the actualization of his wishes, is indeed, free. he has no allegiance, because he is the man deity. he is free, because he does not beleive it is possible to do wrong. the heirophant, on the other hand, like the preistess, is an acolyte of a god or ideal. this is following the path of faith, trust, while not succumbing to the temptation to abuse ones power. remember the story of simon? the magician who travelled with christ and the apostles? the apostles are heirophants, and both christ and simon were magicians except jesus is upright, and simon is reversed.
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Speaking about the Fool's clothes... check out the 2 of Cups!
Notice the similarity between the guy's clothes and the Fool's.

It seems the Waite wanted to say something there, didnt he???



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