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Left or right?


This may seem like the silliest question yet but ......
Direction, left or right, how are you viewing the cards?

The card is before me (say the 6 of pentacles), a man facing towards me is holding scales in his left hand and with his right hand gives 4 coins to one of two beggers at his feet.
Is the begger considered to be on the left side of the card or because he is on the right side of the merchant, is he the begger to the right.
Is the merchant looking to the left of the card or is he looking to his right?
Now the 6 of cups, if the children turn and look at the house then St. Andrew's cross will be to their left as most books discribe, but if they were to turn towards me instead, the cross remains on the left of the card but is to the right of the children.

Am I to consider the scene first with everything on it as either being on the right or left side of the card and when people are shown the perspective is still from me the viewer so nothing is "on their right" but on my left and the left side of the card?

In the 6 of pents, is the merchant giving money to a begger on his right or a begger on the left side of the card.

This may seem obvious to everyone eles but I am so confused, (and I hope this post isn't) ......seems the more I read and learn the less I know and there are so many different views (and views!)

Thanks if you can help me here.

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part one


When looking at any of the Court Arcana I always notice
that Pamela Colman Smith made a special effort to show
us both direction of the figure in the illustration, and the
orientation from our point of view: The Right Hand Holds.

By putting the suit symbol always in the Right Hand of her
Courts, Pam has made a very clear indication of their own
stances, and from that, through all the deck, we find ours.

Having said that with perhaps too much certainty, I'm ready
to be shown that there are many exceptions and no fast rule.

part two _________________

Here are some things I just checked, and we may have
just opened ourselves a nice can of ambidextrous worms.



Doing a check on the Court Cards, I found that all but one
of the King-Queen-Knight figures, The King of Pentacles,
holds their suit symbol in their right hands.

The Page of Cups clearly holds hers in her right hand, but
the other three are somewhat ambiguous on this aspect.

The Ace symbols are all being held in the right hand.

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KING of PENTACLES
http://www.sacred-texts.com/tarot/pkt/img/peki.jpg

Why does this King have his Pentacle in his Left hand?
And what's up with the Ambidextrous Pages?
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Am I to consider the scene first with everything on it as either being on the right or left side of the card and when people are shown the perspective is still from me the viewer so nothing is "on their right" but on my left and the left side of the card?
Reading your post again, I see I kind of went off in my own direction.
So, if I look deeply inside and honestly answer your question, then...
I think the people on the cards are real, and we are seeing their world.
Not "psychology test patterns" but real places in the ~ Land of Tarot.
Which means, that all you have to do is ask the people in the cards!
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I was thinking about all the discussions about Pamela Coleman Smith working in the theater and about the "stage cards", and I decided I would treat it as such.

Okay, here's where I stop making sense. If I'm an actor on stage (which occasionally I am) and the director tells me to move left, I know he means my left because those are the unrwritten rules. This allows him to get up on stage and show me exactly where to go and still mean left. It's always from the actor's point of view to avoid confusion, and that's why we call it "stage left". I did get a little flustered when after a few years on the stage I moved to the house to do a little stage managing. Now I don't know my left from my right (kidding...most of the time).

This is just the way I see it because that's what was drilled into my head for so many years, but I'm not sure it matters either way. Actually, I think "the merchant's left" and "the right side of the card" mean the same thing. You're specifying who's left and right and it seems very clear to me.

Peace,
April exiting stage left.
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Thank-you Fulgour and April,
I asked the cards and they told me that each holds it’s own reality and that when I know better I will do better.
Haaah! Shoot me now!
It is just that I have started “studying” and have found different authors have different points of view, (what a surprise!) and was wondering if anyone had a “rule of direction”, if there is a rule, or if anyone had ever thought about this right or left issue, or perhaps I am just being obtuse.

I am one of those dyslectic people who have to think extremely hard if asked to point left or right so I am easily confused when told that right is my assumed left or vis-à-vis.
I have come to understand that when reading the cards it is important to recognize “left” can represent the past, the unconscious, or the need or desire to look into these aspects and “right” can represent the future and conscious awareness. I feel I need to adopt a consistent theory but am having a hard time understanding the concept of “this is the left side of the card” but “this is the pictured person's right but everything to the right of them is on the left”. Hemorrhaging as I type!

I think I would like to hear from you in the “know” which way to go before I decide as needing to relearn in the future maybe difficult for someone like me!

p.s. . Just so you know who I am: it took me over 1/2 hour just to see that all the ace symbols were in fact held in right hands not left and right! (much placing of the cards face to my chest and pen holding!) but I still can’t tell you if the grey cloud with the hand holding the ace of pentacles is coming from the right (like the AS) pointing left (held up to my chest looking down), or from looking at the card on the table is coming from the left side of the card pointing to the right. OH!
But it must mean something if the AC & the AW are coming from the opposite direction. Yes?
So what is it? Is there a rule of direction?

P.
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< Cups-Water & Earth-Pentacles >
< Wands-Fire & Air-Swords >

Opposites = Water vs Fire and Earth vs Air
(except for "opposites" elements are "compatible")

If we consider the "Compatibility" of the Elements we see:

Wands [ < R ] opposite from Cups [ < R ]
compatible with
[ L > ] Swords
[ L > ] Pentacles

Cups [ < R ] opposite from Wands [ < R ]
compatible with
[ L > ] Pentacles
[ L > ] Swords

Swords [ L > ] opposite from Pentacles [ L > ]
compatible with
[ < R ] Wands
[ < R ] Cups

Pentacles [ L > ] opposite from Swords [ L > ]
compatible with
[ < R ] Cups
[ < R ] Wands

_______________________

In the Tarot of Marseille, the Ace of Cups is an ornate chalice,
and the Ace of Coins features a single, large circular design.
The two other Aces, Swords and Wands, have long been
shown being held by Hands:
Wands "coming from" the Right [ < R ]
Swords "coming from" the Left [ L > ]
Maybe this was done to show these two as "compatible"
just as then the other two, handless Aces, would be kin.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pandora
I am one of those dyslectic people who have to think extremely hard if asked to point left or right so I am easily confused when told that right is my assumed left or vis-à-vis.
Dear Pandora ~ there was a thread started awhile back
called "Tarot Dyslexia?" and here is the link to it:

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=32597
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