small cards zodiacal attributions

Graham_Cracker · 22-12-2004

Hello I wonder if any one can tell me why crowley begins the sequence of small cards at 0 degrees leo (5 of wands, strife), rather than at 0 degrees aries for example? Any clues...? thanks

Fulgour · 22-12-2004

2 3 4 Cardinal
5 6 7 Fixed
8 9 10 Mutable

It would be even more revealing to know why
the ancient Chaldean astrologers began the
sequence with Mars first in Aries (2 of Wands).
Mars in Pisces (10 of Cups) is the final decan,
and it's done so for a reason: the hinge-pin.

The concept is of a descending order, based on
various considerations, and goes like this:

Saturn Jupiter Mars Sun Venus Mercury Moon

**fyreflye** · 22-12-2004

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Graham_Cracker · 22-12-2004

I could come with no better reason than the ascendent thing myself but perceived there must be something else to it -to give his ego the benefit of the doubt. I guess maybe there isn't, though it is kind of surprising as he does tend to try to ground things in something or other even if it is his own revelations -which are not to be sniffed at.
thanks

Graham_Cracker · 22-12-2004

Fulgour I don't understand how your reply helps my enquiry? Are you saying that the chaldean system did this first and crowley uses it, if so given the order (kabbalistically as crowley would have it) of the planets descent the question remains, why begin with mars rather than saturn? If the 'hinge-pin' is an answer -and I do not mean this facetiously- then what does it mean, as on its own it says very little.

Fulgour · 23-12-2004

The Vernal Equinox is the fixed point that makes all astrological
references possible. It is the agreed upon starting point, the pin.
The Chaldean system of decanates, probably 5,000+ years old is
not an image of perfection, but a human creation, and so flawed.
As if to say, of course we know, there is the beautiful doubling
of Mars at the beginning and end ~ the flaw that fixes the form:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/heritage/im/decans.gif

Graham_Cracker Resident Join Date: 21 Dec 2004 Location: UK Posts: 3	small cards zodiacal attributions Hello I wonder if any one can tell me why crowley begins the sequence of small cards at 0 degrees leo (5 of wands, strife), rather than at 0 degrees aries for example? Any clues...? thanks

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Graham_Cracker Resident Join Date: 21 Dec 2004 Location: UK Posts: 3	right... I could come with no better reason than the ascendent thing myself but perceived there must be something else to it -to give his ego the benefit of the doubt. I guess maybe there isn't, though it is kind of surprising as he does tend to try to ground things in something or other even if it is his own revelations -which are not to be sniffed at. thanks

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Graham_Cracker Resident Join Date: 21 Dec 2004 Location: UK Posts: 3	hmm... Fulgour I don't understand how your reply helps my enquiry? Are you saying that the chaldean system did this first and crowley uses it, if so given the order (kabbalistically as crowley would have it) of the planets descent the question remains, why begin with mars rather than saturn? If the 'hinge-pin' is an answer -and I do not mean this facetiously- then what does it mean, as on its own it says very little.

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Fulgour Citizen Join Date: 10 Jun 2004 Location: slumbrin in the windrows of the hours... Posts: 7,828	2 3 4 Cardinal 5 6 7 Fixed 8 9 10 Mutable It would be even more revealing to know why the ancient Chaldean astrologers began the sequence with Mars first in Aries (2 of Wands). Mars in Pisces (10 of Cups) is the final decan, and it's done so for a reason: the hinge-pin. The concept is of a descending order, based on various considerations, and goes like this: Saturn Jupiter Mars Sun Venus Mercury Moon

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Fulgour Citizen Join Date: 10 Jun 2004 Location: slumbrin in the windrows of the hours... Posts: 7,828	The Vernal Equinox is the fixed point that makes all astrological references possible. It is the agreed upon starting point, the pin. The Chaldean system of decanates, probably 5,000+ years old is not an image of perfection, but a human creation, and so flawed. As if to say, of course we know, there is the beautiful doubling of Mars at the beginning and end ~ the flaw that fixes the form: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/heritage/im/decans.gif

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