Thoth 2005 by Urania Verlag

[gregory]

BUT WHY DO IT ???? silly ! Thanks Aulruna.

But gold borders to the backs - why borders - but better than white !

[Aeon418]

That's strange.

Why change Hohepriester to Hierophant and leave Hohepriesterin unchanged? The English version of Atu II is not called the High Priestess.

She is the Priestess because her full name is The Priestess of the Silver Star.

[gregory]

See why one is displeased ?

[Aeon418]

Originally Posted by gregory

See why one is displeased ?

Smile. It could be worse.

I wonder how durable the gold backs are? Does it start flaking off after a few shuffles?

[gregory]

Originally Posted by Aeon418

Smile. It could be worse.

I wonder how durable the gold backs are? Does it start flaking off after a few shuffles?

Gold BORDERS ! Probably just like the gold on the existing backs - just "colour" of gold.

[Aeon418]

Originally Posted by gregory

Probably just like the gold on the existing backs - just "colour" of gold.

I was referring to the gold on the Rose Cross. It looks like the shiny stuff. Not just gold-coloured.

[Aulruna]

It's just gold coloured, at least on the pocket edition.

[Cat*]

Originally Posted by Aulruna

Magician: was Magier -> now Magus
Aeon: was Das Aeon -> now der Aeon

The first one seems to be closer to the original, and the second is now grammatically correctly gendered (although I was surprised to learn that "das Aeon" is in fact wrong!).

Originally Posted by Aulruna

Six of Cups (Pleasure: was Genuss -> now Freude
Nine of Cups(Happiness): was Freude -> now Glückseligkeit
Three of Swords (Sorrow): was Kummer -> now Trauer
Four of Swords (Truce): was Waffenruhe -> now Waffenstillstand
Seven of Swords (Futility): was Vergeblichkeit -> now Nutzlosigkeit

As a German native speaker with near-native English language skills (at least that's what my university says), I find all of these renamings worse than the earlier versions. (I swear I'm not influenced by Thoth nostalgia or anything because my Thoth deck only had titles for a few hours until I went at it with cardboard cutter and corner rounder...) I might get behind Glückseligkeit (it's not ideal but Freude for Happiness also wasn't) and Waffenstillstand (both mean exactly the same, only Waffenstillstand feels a bit more "military" and "modern" to me), but the rest of them actually are worse translations of the English terms - which is why I don't agree with Kirsten Kretschmer's* assessment here:

Originally Posted by Aulruna

the renamed Minors are just "linguistic sophistry"...

ETA: * Both Aulruna and I had the name of the quoted article's author wrong (the pdf that Aulruna linked to - the picture is indeed Hajo Banzhaf, but the text's author is Kirsten Kretschmer). I only noticed it when I looked at the file again right now to actually read the article (which contains a detailed description of all the changes of the new Thoth version - let me know if you need help translating it!).

I also found this information in the article: "auf lange Sicht wird die nun vorliegende Version die einzige sein, die gedruckt wird" which means in the long run, the new version will be the only one that gets printed.

[Jeannette]

Originally Posted by sravana

Is this deck the size of the Deluxe Thoth, or the "regular" size?

According to the info I have, the KöningsFürt edition measures 9.5 cm x 14 cm (approx. 3.75" x 5.51"). That would make it roughly the size of the "deluxe" (i.e., standard AGM "blue box" or USG "green box") edition. The "regular" (USG "purple box") edition measures 2.75" x 4.265".

-- Jeannette
The Tarot Garden

[SolSionnach]

Originally Posted by Cat*

I also found this information in the article: "auf lange Sicht wird die nun vorliegende Version die einzige sein, die gedruckt wird" which means in the long run, the new version will be the only one that gets printed.

That's what I wanted to know. However, does this mean that the AGM and USG decks won't be printed either, or that this is the only version that KöningsFürt is going to print? If it's the former, I'm glad that I sprung for the AGM Deluxe that I just bought. The latter? Well, I have it now!

Originally Posted by Jeannette

According to the info I have, the KöningsFürt edition measures 9.5 cm x 14 cm (approx. 3.75" x 5.51"). That would make it roughly the size of the "deluxe" (i.e., standard AGM "blue box" or USG "green box") edition. The "regular" (USG "purple box") edition measures 2.75" x 4.265".

-- Jeannette
The Tarot Garden

Oh, that's good to know! I like the big cards, easier on aging eyes.