Tonsured Acolytes & Funny Hats - Page 2

Dark Inquisitor · 03-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Rosanne

but truely they are just receiving a blessing Yes?

One never knows for sure. There are so many odd things in this deck that just don't add up , it seems they are not a coincidence. And, if we are going to minutely dissect every aspect of the cards and imbue them with meaning , we cannot leave out the ones we would prefer not prefer to see. Or the ones that don't fit our particular idea of what we want the cards to be about.

(Is the Hermit really blind? An old man walking with a cane. Looking into lantern in the middle of the day. Very odd. )

Poor Fulgour, he returns to find his thread massacred, the acolytes defrocked . But, I didn't see the hand until you made me look at the hat !!

Sophie · 03-02-2005

LOL for the Puppet Pope

- methinks Jodo and Camoin must be anti-clerical...pretty common in France, and yet they have the Marseille.

I agree with you about things not adding up - or not seeming to. That's why I started that thread about the various Pope accoutrements (crosier, gloves, ladder chair back etc).

I'm reading a (very long) article on the language of birds - that gives some clues, as things that don't add up logically might well do so by association and word game (image-image or image-word or -less likely - word-word). For the French readers out there, it's at http://criptkabbale.com/tarot/o0.htm.

For those who don't speak French, then Flornoy wrote an interesting condensed version on his site, translated into English. And of course, Fulcanelli, also translated , discusses it at length.

Who knows, maybe the Pape-Marionette has some special word association (Sophie puts on her thinking cap with her to bed).

Rosanne · 03-02-2005

A moment frozen in time. If a blessing then the hand leaning right is in the the position of 'Amen' (So be it) from the Sign of the Cross. I will have to read more Dark Inquisitor, you have nudged me about the odd things. I was raised Catholic and was, with my Brothers, always making plays on words from the seemingly endless punning opportunity the Church presented. Why not the same in History.

Fulgour · 03-02-2005

"Those who fight, those who work, and those who pray"

Back when most people worked outside, some people were very careful
to wear broad-brimmed hats or wear gloves and carry parasols to shield
their skin from the sun, and used white powder on their faces and arms.

Lynn Harry Nelson, Medieval Studies

*

Perhaps what is being suggested is "As Within, So Without"
as much as we often hear repeated, as above so below...

Fulgour · 03-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Dark Inquisitor

Poor Fulgour, he returns to find his thread massacred,
the acolytes defrocked . But, I didn't see the hand until
you made me look at the hat !!

Makes me think of "Seen and Unseen" realms of activity.
We see Le Pape looking the other way, just as the boys
have their own world of shared concerns, and even play.

*

As a Tarot card feature, this may suggest keep your eyes open.
Just as with Le Bateleur, there's lots more going on than we see.

Nowadays this is often termed multi-tasking or co-processing,
and from experience (I was an altar boy when the Mass was in
Latin) one learns it is best to be prepared before you're needed.

Sophie · 03-02-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fulgour

Makes me think of "Seen and Unseen" realms of activity.
We see Le Pape looking the other way, just as the boys
have their own world of shared concerns, and even play.

Good Lord, are they boys? I don't think so. In the Marseille they are turning their backs on us entirely, so we don't know - but if one of them is an abbot (he wears an abbot's hat) then they would be men.

Only in the RWS are they boys for sure.

Fulgour · 03-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Helvetica

Good Lord, are they boys? I don't think so. In the Marseille they are turning their backs on us entirely, so we don't know - but if one of them is an abbot (he wears an abbot's hat) then they would be men.

Kings were often teenage boys, and Popes too.
As for that hat, can you post a picture of one?
Offhand, it could even be made of broom straw.

Dark Inquisitor · 04-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Helvetica

Good Lord, are they boys?

Shoot. I was not going to bring that up.On one hand it could make the implications more playful, on the other hand it could make them more horrible. I was hoping the size difference was just a case primitive art license and difficulties in perspective trying to fit the figures into the card. Did medieval altar boys get the shaved crown too?

**jmd** · 18-02-2005

The size difference need not be taken to be of literally in the physical sense, but perhaps only literally in the social-hierarchical sense: a person of lower station is quite characteristically depicted in smaller imagery in many (but not all) mediaeval depictions.

It may be that the hat is one of an abbot's - but were cardinals' hat not also similar?

kwaw · 19-02-2005

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Originally Posted by jmd

It may be that the hat is one of an abbot's - but were cardinals' hat not also similar?

I had always thought it was a cardinal's hat.

Kwaw

Sophie Citizen Join Date: 10 Oct 2004 Location: moving again Posts: 20,308	LOL for the Puppet Pope - methinks Jodo and Camoin must be anti-clerical...pretty common in France, and yet they have the Marseille. I agree with you about things not adding up - or not seeming to. That's why I started that thread about the various Pope accoutrements (crosier, gloves, ladder chair back etc). I'm reading a (very long) article on the language of birds - that gives some clues, as things that don't add up logically might well do so by association and word game (image-image or image-word or -less likely - word-word). For the French readers out there, it's at http://criptkabbale.com/tarot/o0.htm. For those who don't speak French, then Flornoy wrote an interesting condensed version on his site, translated into English. And of course, Fulcanelli, also translated , discusses it at length. Who knows, maybe the Pape-Marionette has some special word association (Sophie puts on her thinking cap with her to bed). __________________ All generalizations are false, including this one. Mark Twain Last edited by Sophie; 03-02-2005 at 07:52.

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Rosanne Citizen Join Date: 08 Dec 2004 Location: North Auckland,New Zealand Posts: 5,638	A moment frozen in time. If a blessing then the hand leaning right is in the the position of 'Amen' (So be it) from the Sign of the Cross. I will have to read more Dark Inquisitor, you have nudged me about the odd things. I was raised Catholic and was, with my Brothers, always making plays on words from the seemingly endless punning opportunity the Church presented. Why not the same in History. __________________ How happy is he born and taught, That serveth not another's will; Whose armour is his honest thought, And simple truth his utmost skill! Sir Henry Wotton

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Fulgour Citizen Join Date: 10 Jun 2004 Location: slumbrin in the windrows of the hours... Posts: 7,828	Candles and Sunlight "Those who fight, those who work, and those who pray" Back when most people worked outside, some people were very careful to wear broad-brimmed hats or wear gloves and carry parasols to shield their skin from the sun, and used white powder on their faces and arms. Lynn Harry Nelson, Medieval Studies * Perhaps what is being suggested is "As Within, So Without" as much as we often hear repeated, as above so below...

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jmd fourhares Join Date: 05 Aug 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 8,502	The size difference need not be taken to be of literally in the physical sense, but perhaps only literally in the social-hierarchical sense: a person of lower station is quite characteristically depicted in smaller imagery in many (but not all) mediaeval depictions. It may be that the hat is one of an abbot's - but were cardinals' hat not also similar?

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