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Astrological Associations
Hi All I’m currently helping (or more like hindering!) two relatives in learning the tarot, and they are also using two books. The past few “lessons” have centralised on the astrological associations of the Major Arcana but we’ve run up against a problem. When I was taught the tarot I was taught by my late Uncle and I learned an “old” variation of the associations whereas my cousins are learning the more commonly accepted associations, because I don’t want to confuse them, and the book they are using (Complete Book of Tarot) uses the new ones and they practice with that as well. I’ve covered all the cards with them that use the same associations but on Friday we are doing: the Chariot, the Hanged Man, the Moon and Judgement, which are the differences. The system I used has the following associations: Chariot = Mars Hanged Man = Pisces Moon = Cancer Judgement = Jupiter So as you can see it is quite different. I just wondered if you could give me your views on the more commonly accepted associations and how you feel they work with the cards. I’d be grateful for anything you can give me. Many thanks Andy |
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There are more than two correlations that have been made, and there are important questions that also need to be asked as to whether any astrological correlations are intrinsic to the deck. If they are not intrinsic, then correlations that seem to be meaningful may provide a useful basis. Another question that may also be asked is whether you (or they) are using alphabetic correlations (with the Hebrew alphabet), and, if so, of the four most common correlations, which one. This becomes also important as Hebrew letters, in Kabalistic tradition, have astrological correlations. Of course, I would personally advocate that the deck be studied and engaged primarily without such correlations, but rather simply looking carefully at the presented imagery. It may turn out, of course, and depending on which deck one uses, that astrological correlations emerge - and if using a 20th century deck, this is very likely, as many have incorporated the artist's preferred astrological views. |
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This is NOT kabbalah
Beginning with One for The Magician: 1. Aleph ~ Air 2. Beth ~ MOON 3. Gimmel ~ VENUS 4. Daleth ~ MARS 5. Heh ~ Aries 6. Waw ~ Taurus 7. Zayin ~ Gemini 8. Heth ~ Cancer 9. Teth ~ Leo 10. Yodh ~ Virgo 11. Kaph ~ MERCURY 12. Lamedh ~ Libra 13. Mem ~ Water 14. Nun ~ Scorpio 15. Samekh ~ Sagittarius 16. Ayin ~ Capricorn 17. Peh ~ SUN 18. Tsade ~ Aquarius 19. Qoph ~ Pisces 20. Res ~ JUPITER 21. Shin ~ Fire 22. Taw ~ SATURN |
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alternatives
Fulgor knows far more than I do, but I believe his approach is somewhat different in that it incorporates the elements. Regarding the cards you questioned, here is an alternative set of astrological correspondences largely based on the Thoth deck plus assigning the "modern" planets: Chariot - cancer Hanged Man - neptune Moon - pisces Judgement - pluto Fool - uranus |
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About "modern" planets...
To get around an obvious anomaly ("absent" Earth) some modern innovators choose to use these pairs: URANUS = Air (Aleph) NEPTUNE = Water (Mem) PLUTO = Fire (Shin) ...and when did Pluto get hot? PS: The Earth is found in the mysteries of noneother than The High Priestess (the exaltation of the Moon in Taurus). After all, these are the Major Arcana... there are secrets. |
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Mars still rules Scorpio, the fixed Water sign. In my mind, it also rules Aries, cardinal Fire. What astrologers have been doing to accomodate the New Age folks with funny Tarot notions is to give Aries a piece of Pluto and thus a touch of Fire. That way they can assign it to XX Judgement and through the strange alchemy of book publishing... we have Fire, though still in the wrong place since Fire is the attribute of XXI The World. It's simple! |
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Astrologers very properly recognized the "new" planets and assigned them to signs and houses where they fit quite nicely. If this messed up tarot or kaballah systems, well, ho hum. As above, so below as the saying goes. Not "as my system so the planets." |
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