Seasons of the suits

jojojo · 20-09-2005

Hi, I have read posts that you can determine timing with the seasons of the suits. I have the Universl Rider Waite and I wondered what seasons were linked to each suit and why...can anyone help. Thankyou

**tarotbear** · 21-09-2005

Generally speaking, most people disagree about the seasons, even Waite himself. I am sure someone will disagree with me, too! But some of us see the seasons in the Aces of the suits as :

Ace of Pentacles - Spring - blooming garden
Ace of Cups - Summer - growth of water lilies
Ace of Wands - Autumn - the yods 'falling' off the wand
Ace of swords - Winter - stark gray skies

Remember, though, that we think of summer as the time the kids are not in school (June, July, August) , but Summer is from May, June July - midsummer being in June. So, remember that when you are trying to place something happening at a time of year. The seasons vary deck to deck depending on the artist.

poivre · 21-09-2005

What works for me & I believe everyone has their own way.

Pentacles- Winter-North & Cups-Summer-South

Swords-Spring-East & Wands-Fall-West

Pentacles and Cups support each other as
Swords and Wands

......N...
.W.......E
......S...

***Sulis*** · 21-09-2005

I see them differently

I use the same correspondences as I use in magical work:

East - Air - Swords - Spring
South - Fire - Wands - Summer
West - Water - Cups - Autumn
North - Earth - Pentacles - Winter

Love

Sulis xx

wizzle · 21-09-2005

One of the obvious strengths of astrology is it's precision in terms of time. All of the small cards of the tarot have an astrological correspondence which, if used, is exact to within 10 days of any given period. For example, the 2 of wands is Mars in Aries and is associated with 0 to 10 degrees of Aries or March 21-30.

The Princesses/Pages rule the astrological quadrents thus,

Page of disks = March 21 - June 20
Page of wands = June 21 - Sept 22
Page of cups = Sept 23 - Dec 21
Page of swords = Dec 22 - March 20

In addition, the court cards rule the small cards with each court card owning about a month in time, from the last 10 degrees of one sign into the next 20 degrees of the sign that follows.

There are some very handy tables showing the correspondnces on page 207 of DuQuette's book "Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thoth Tarot." The tables are based on the Golden Dawn system so everyone can work out their own tables by checking out Book T http://www.tarot.org.il/Library/Mathers/Book-T.html

Inasmuch as the Aces are the culmination and summary of a suit, I'm not sure using them as time is meaningful. However, if I did use them in that way I'd assign each ace to the beginning of it's astrological quadant which would yield

Ace of wands - vernal equinox (Aries = fire)
Ace of cups - summer solstice (Cancer = cups)
Ace of swords - autumnal equinox (Libra = air)
Ace of pentacles - winter solstice (Capricorn = earth)

**tarotbear** · 21-09-2005

Like I said jojojo - find a set of correspondences that works for you and use it! LOL!!!!

levannah60 · 26-09-2005

The way I am comfortable with is the Ellen Cannon Reed's way when she did the witches' tarot.

Wands: Air-Spring-east
Swords: Fire-Summer-South
Cups: Water-Fall-Autumn
Pentacles: Earth-Earth-Winter

Kings: Winter
Queens: Spring
Princes: Summer
Princesses: Autumn

I have never been able to see it any diffrently, and I have tried.
Oh well, to each their own, aye?

levannah60 · 26-09-2005

Pentacles-Earth-Winter-North

Sophie · 26-09-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by levannah60

Pentacles-Earth-Winter-North

The trouble I have with some of these attributions - and this one in particular - is that they contradict directly the image on the RWS. How can I look at a card full of ripe grapes, lush vines & roses, and think "winter"? It's completely counter-intuitive. It is autumn now, where I am. Our wine-growers here have just started to harvest the grapes & will continue over the next two weeks, then there'll be big wine-growers' harvest festivals in all the villages (great fun! - free wine & grapes

)

Of course, in those decks where the creator has deliberately worked in those attributions, they work very well (e.g. the DruidCraft). But they don't work with the RWS. Pentacles are obviously set around harvest time - between August and October (for the grapes) in the Northern Hemisphere, and between February & April in the Southern Hemisphere.

wizzle · 27-09-2005

The RWS King of Pentacles rules from April 21 to May 20 or the last 10 degrees of Airies and the first 20 degrees of Taurus if you follow the GD system. Hence all the bulls on his throne, etc. I'm not sure that's all that consistent with grapevines, but at least it works well with the bulls.

Or it could be that the king is associated with the sign of Taurus. Waite was not specific about astrological attributions with the exception of saying

"The bull's head should be noted as a recurrent symbol on the throne."

How that get's one to winter and Capricorn, I don't follow either.

jojojo Citizen Join Date: 23 Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 605	Seasons of the suits Hi, I have read posts that you can determine timing with the seasons of the suits. I have the Universl Rider Waite and I wondered what seasons were linked to each suit and why...can anyone help. Thankyou

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tarotbear One of the original 100 members Join Date: 05 Aug 2001 Location: The Naugatuck Valley, CT Posts: 7,404	Look to the Ace Generally speaking, most people disagree about the seasons, even Waite himself. I am sure someone will disagree with me, too! But some of us see the seasons in the Aces of the suits as : Ace of Pentacles - Spring - blooming garden Ace of Cups - Summer - growth of water lilies Ace of Wands - Autumn - the yods 'falling' off the wand Ace of swords - Winter - stark gray skies Remember, though, that we think of summer as the time the kids are not in school (June, July, August) , but Summer is from May, June July - midsummer being in June. So, remember that when you are trying to place something happening at a time of year. The seasons vary deck to deck depending on the artist. Last edited by tarotbear; 21-09-2005 at 02:15.

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*Sulis* believer in magic Moderator Join Date: 03 Feb 2002 Location: Nottingham UK Posts: 18,152	I see them differently I use the same correspondences as I use in magical work: East - Air - Swords - Spring South - Fire - Wands - Summer West - Water - Cups - Autumn North - Earth - Pentacles - Winter Love Sulis xx __________________ 'Be excellent to each other' - Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. 'the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely places.. Those who don't believe in magic will never find it' - Roald Dahl 'Immerse your soul in love' - Radiohead

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wizzle Citizen Join Date: 23 May 2005 Location: Washington State, USA Posts: 1,398	Astrological attributions One of the obvious strengths of astrology is it's precision in terms of time. All of the small cards of the tarot have an astrological correspondence which, if used, is exact to within 10 days of any given period. For example, the 2 of wands is Mars in Aries and is associated with 0 to 10 degrees of Aries or March 21-30. The Princesses/Pages rule the astrological quadrents thus, Page of disks = March 21 - June 20 Page of wands = June 21 - Sept 22 Page of cups = Sept 23 - Dec 21 Page of swords = Dec 22 - March 20 In addition, the court cards rule the small cards with each court card owning about a month in time, from the last 10 degrees of one sign into the next 20 degrees of the sign that follows. There are some very handy tables showing the correspondnces on page 207 of DuQuette's book "Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thoth Tarot." The tables are based on the Golden Dawn system so everyone can work out their own tables by checking out Book T http://www.tarot.org.il/Library/Mathers/Book-T.html Inasmuch as the Aces are the culmination and summary of a suit, I'm not sure using them as time is meaningful. However, if I did use them in that way I'd assign each ace to the beginning of it's astrological quadant which would yield Ace of wands - vernal equinox (Aries = fire) Ace of cups - summer solstice (Cancer = cups) Ace of swords - autumnal equinox (Libra = air) Ace of pentacles - winter solstice (Capricorn = earth) __________________ "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." Albert Einstein

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levannah60 Citizen Join Date: 13 Sep 2005 Location: Fort Worth, TX. Posts: 203	Ellen Cannon Reed's Way.... The way I am comfortable with is the Ellen Cannon Reed's way when she did the witches' tarot. Wands: Air-Spring-east Swords: Fire-Summer-South Cups: Water-Fall-Autumn Pentacles: Earth-Earth-Winter Kings: Winter Queens: Spring Princes: Summer Princesses: Autumn I have never been able to see it any diffrently, and I have tried. Oh well, to each their own, aye?

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poivre Citizen Join Date: 13 Nov 2003 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 6,596	What works for me & I believe everyone has their own way. Pentacles- Winter-North & Cups-Summer-South Swords-Spring-East & Wands-Fall-West Pentacles and Cups support each other as Swords and Wands ......N... .W.......E ......S...

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levannah60 Citizen Join Date: 13 Sep 2005 Location: Fort Worth, TX. Posts: 203	Opps! Pentacles-Earth-Winter-North

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wizzle Citizen Join Date: 23 May 2005 Location: Washington State, USA Posts: 1,398	RWS King of Pentacles The RWS King of Pentacles rules from April 21 to May 20 or the last 10 degrees of Airies and the first 20 degrees of Taurus if you follow the GD system. Hence all the bulls on his throne, etc. I'm not sure that's all that consistent with grapevines, but at least it works well with the bulls. Or it could be that the king is associated with the sign of Taurus. Waite was not specific about astrological attributions with the exception of saying "The bull's head should be noted as a recurrent symbol on the throne." How that get's one to winter and Capricorn, I don't follow either. __________________ "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." Albert Einstein Last edited by wizzle; 27-09-2005 at 05:50.

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