REVERSALS: The HPS Reversed

Thirteen

Upright, the High Priestess is a mysterious card, both frightening and wonderful. Where the Magician is the charismatic show man with an audience, the HPS is the solitary lady guarding an ancient library. Where the Magician is all about possiblities, she is about "impossiblities." Secret knowledge, instincts, magic even. Her's is a card about personal and individual journeys across dark deserts to enlightenment.

She is also about that moment when opposites both exist but don't cancel each other out. When we stand between the pillars of light and dark, day and night...and need that secret knowledge or instincts or psychic power in order to know how to best develop what we have (Example: 2/Wands--it isn't a choice between a wand and a pentacle, it's two wands. Rather like Harry Pottery, the querent needs a wand to do the job, but which wand will best do the job? And how do you start using it?--another example might be a tarot reader deciding on that first deck...and first book to read).

1) Opposite: Once again, there are negatives in the card that a reader might save for reversals. In this case, secrets are kept, not revealed, the answer is searched for but not found, instincts are wrong. In a more presonal sense, there is a cold streak to the HPS. She refuses to open the door, withholds her secrets except when they're hurtful. She's that nasty maiden aunt who lives alone and knows the dirt on everyone and uses it just to watch them squirm.

She can also be that unpredictable teacher or woman--brilliant but her mood changes are downright scary. You don't know if she's going to coldly answer your question--or bite your head off.

2) Blocked: The blocking here really focuses on the instinctual or psychic energy. There is just nothing coming through. Once of those days when you do a tarot reading and the cards are just cards. They don't speak to you, you see nothing in them. Likewise, making a decision about anything seems impossible. The two wands look the same and you cannot tell the difference between them.

3) Upsidedown: There would seem to be little difference if we turn the card upsidedown, but like the subtle meaning of the HPS, the difference is similarly subtle. Taking the Rider-Waite image, she has the crescent moon at her foot and a well-spring of water begins there that runs through other cards.

Turn her upsidedown and the water falls and runs dry. The moon hangs above rather than at her command. The curtain of pomegranates, shrouding the mysteries falls open and all that people should not see--that might be damaging to see, they see. The Pillars are on their crowns not on the base and cannot support themselves.

There is, in short, a loss of control. And the HPS, who holds opposites in delicate balance, needs that control. If all this is lost, then there is a kind of madness. Chaos, indecision, a loss of secrets and knowledge.
 

michmm

my additions!!! :)

The Upright High Priestess is someone who is in touch with or in tune with their intuition and spirituality. The Reversed High Priestess indicates a person who is not listening to his/her intuition or who is cut off from his/her intuition, spirituality, awareness and inner conscience.

The Reversed High Priestess also indicates that the person is in a physical relationship or is in love with someone, but is immorally having another physical relationship with someone else. It indicates infidelity. what do you think of this? Have you ever had it come up???!!!
 

Alta

I have and agree. The HP reversed has lost her moral and ethical compass. What was clear to her before is not longer clear.

This is also in a bigger way a misuse of her feminity. This is different from The Empress reversed, which might mean abuse or neglect of children. This is an inner betrayal of self.
 

Baroli

When I look at HP upsidedown, I see the moon and the mysteries that she keeps she no longer has access to. She will not give up her secrets because who can't get to them. Also,she has lost her way, as the moon is a small crescent (RW deck) and the light is very dim. She has lost control of the mysteries as now the curtain is upside down as well. and everything even things that had a specific time to be revealed are now visible.

Baroli

PS. Also, (sorry I just had another thought) where upright, she is willing to reveal the knowledge she has for a specific purpose, reversed she runs at the mouth. There is no rhyme or reason.
 

Thirteen

michmm said:
The Reversed High Priestess also indicates that the person is in a physical relationship or is in love with someone, but is immorally having another physical relationship with someone else. It indicates infidelity.
Hey, Michelle,

I hadn't ever heard this one but it sounds like one of those old fashioned interpetations that I tend to ignore--the same ones that label the Queen/Swords a "divorced" woman. There's a sexist bent to them that really disturbs me and this has that ring to it.

I don't think the HPS gets into many relationships. But if she did, I'd see her, reversed, as just dumping the person without a care rather than having an affair. I could, kinda, see the HPS as a woman with a lover and keeping it secret--but she would not see it as immoral. Like the Magician, there is an "amorality" about her. She does what she pleases for her own reasons. And if you can't accept that, you can't be with her.
 

firecatpickles

Thirteen said:
There is, in short, a loss of control [...] Chaos, indecision, a loss of secrets and knowledge.
When I was reading this, the weather person was talking about the tornados in Tennessee (in the area I used to live as a child). The High Priestess is Mother Nature, both creator and destroyer, feminine archetype at its most extreme -and its most beautiful. She is the possessor of all the elements as the moon (at her feet) symbolizes, as the Moon controls all of the elements within ourselves and on this earth. Turn her upside down and the chaos which is so tightly controlled between the pillars goes highwire -like tornados or hurricanes. I will be looking for this card in the upcoming weeks as hurricane season approaches Florida! Camille Paglia calls this realm the "cthonian," and weather is included in it.

On another subject, not quite related I don't think, I think what michmm was getting at was the inherent sexuality of the High Priestess, although the quote provided was certainly out-of-date and inapplicable by today's standards. All double standards aside (and I have to compare so I don't rile any nerves), I almost wrote a very similar response in the other thread the Magician Reversed, as a gigolo.
Thirteen said:
She does what she pleases for her own reasons. And if you can't accept that, you can't be with her.
I would think the High Priestess Reversed would be more of a high-class (legal, professional, Vegas-style) businesswoman/escort, and I would drop the outdated and sexist "immoral" denotation.

There is nothing immoral about sexuality, and I think I need to look at the Priestess [r] as the ever present and all-important raw sexual energy of the female, as the Magician [r] can mean her male counterpart. Without sexual energy, life will not go on.

KK
:TKNC
 

Thirteen

kilts_knave said:
There is nothing immoral about sexuality, and I think I need to look at the Priestess [r] as the ever present and all-important raw sexual energy of the female, as the Magician [r] can mean her male counterpart. Without sexual energy, life will not go on.
No, there's certainly nothing wrong with sexuality or those who feel there's nothing wrong with getting favors or payment for it. And the HPS is sometimes seen as a "nun" --and if we were going to go for opposites (which, remember, don't always work for me)--we might be a nymphomanic.

BUT, I think the problem is that these cards really don't deal, IMHO, with sex for sex's sake--as with the Devil, all about physical pleasure. Sex in these cards moves into the magical realm.

Take, for example, sex under the full moon (HPS's domain there), where it's far closer to an ancient rite of god/goddess merging, of male/female magic power being invoked than earthy pleasure (pleasureable though it may be!)--or creation of life (which it may do, but that's not the intent). Especially earthy pleasure with money tossed in for more earthy pleasure.

This is not just sex--not even reversed. Not for Magician or HPS. There has to be more to it, because they aren't about what is of the Earth. They aren't about life--that's the Empress--they're about the mysteries of life.

I can see the Magician as a gigolo because that involves companionship, not just sex, chatting the person up, charming them, etc. It's similar to that snake-oil man, he's just selling different magic--the magic of romance and transformation through a night with him. Even more IMPORTANT, however, is that women who go with a gigolo WANT him to be in control. To woo and romance them. But that's NOT the case with a high-priced (or cheap) escort. The woman on the man's arm is under HIS control for a price, not vice versa.

That's not the HPS, not even reversed. Still and quiet yes. But if she's ever out of control, as you point out, watch out, it's a tornado and it's destructive. So, reversed HPS doesn't turn into a woman who says, "Anything you want, babe...for the right price" as our Vegas call girl would. She doesn't bend and twist herself out of shape to please the customer. No. Even reversed, she's the one calling the shots--and her partner trembles in fear of her. So, maybe something a little darker--like the dark of the moon? Dominatrix? That I could see.
 

firecatpickles

Thirteen said:
Dominatrix? That I could see.
I had already had the thought in mind before I even getting down to the bottom of your post!

Dominatrixes, and you are correct, provide services of a non-sexual nature that involves the submissive relinquishing total control for a fee. The type of person I have in mind now is not the Vegas call-girl, but your everyday, Dragonfly-of-Los-Angeles-going dominatrix.

I recall one friend of mine from college who referred to herself ominously as "The Priestess."

So okay, darker, yes, slutty, never!

KK
:TKNC

p.s. Can't the Queen of Wands reversed be seen as the dominatrix also?
 

Thirteen

kilts_knave said:
p.s. Can't the Queen of Wands reversed be seen as the dominatrix also?
Heh. I don't think she needs to be reversed ;)

We'll get to them but Queen/Swords and Queen/Wands are certainly women who are in charge and ready to crack the whip (verbally or otherwise) if not obeyed. Reverse them, however, and, I'm guessing, their loss of control is more profound. You put out the Queen/Wands fire and she's pretty lifeless.

I'll add here that as reversed cards are rarely positive, it would probably be better to get the Queen/Wands (upright) as the dominatrix then the HPS (reversed). Q/W is dominating with passion, theatricality and wild times in mind.

The HPS, however, is going to be cold and mean--and with her moon power, I think anyone in her control would be quite mentally and emotionally broken--not having much fun at all.
 

lark

I see her as intuition...that women's knowing... we know what we know and don't tells us different.
It that feeling in your gut.
Reversed she is not listening to that inner voice and so is making mistakes and bad decisions because of it... or making no decisions at all.
She is an ostrich with it's head in the sand.