Harmonious Threes

Grip Dellabonte

Threes are the natural outcomes of the decisions made by the twos. They are the province of the Empress, so they are that which has been created.

Three of Wands:
The Three of Wands is a product of the Two of Wands. So a decision, having been made, is now beginning to bear fruit. These are the early stages but it's when hope blooms because at least one sees an outcome for their efforts.
Whether a creative endeavor or something related to business/career, you have made good choices that are paying off. You're in a good place.
The LWB says: confidence in the future, optimism, new projects. So far, this is in keeping with all I've read on the Three of Wands.
Now to the card...
This is sort of a whimsical image. There is a lady in a grey/green dress with at least knee-high boots on. She is looking to her left with her left hand shielding her eyes as if it were a visor. Her dress has a daisy collar, her sleeves are cuffed with daisy petals, she is wearing a daisy as a hat, and her shoes have little daisies on the bridges.
There is a large, docile white bull behind her standing horizontally while she is faced front. The lady has her right arm hooked in a relaxed manner through his left horn bend. In the same hand she is loosely holding a rather large healthy daisy plant that is rooted next to them. There are daisies around their feet. There must be something about daisies that I'm missing in relation to this card.
The bull has daisies for eyes and what looks like tiny crowns capped on each horn (this instantly reminded me of a holiday crown rib roast where the chefs put those tiny white paper crowns on the tops of the rib bones to be fancy. Not looking good for the bull's future...!). He is swishing his tail and has his head turned to his left, making him actually face front.
He looks to be a healthy and contented animal.
Where he is at ease, she seems mildly expectant about something.
While there are differences in this card to the traditional, there are also some similarities.
For instance, the lady is standing on a hill, surveying. She may not be on as high a point as the man gazing out to sea, but she's still elevated. And she's looking out toward the distance as he does.
In a reading I would say this card is pretty close in meaning to the RWS.
Oh! I just got a flash....She's a cattlewoman. She and the bull are waiting for the rest of the herd to catch up to them. The daisy plant now takes on the appearance of a Bo Peep like crook (don't know if cattle people used those, but still it could just be the symbol of a herder).
The "man on the hill" waits for his ships to come in, and the lady is waiting on her herd. It's the same thing. It's the outcome of what they've poured into their business. They can't take the next step until the ships dock and the herd catches up, so they have a little longer to wait.
Sooo..in a reading it could suggest that there is a profitable outcome, but one might have to wait a little bit for it. A very positive card.

Three of Cups:
The affection of the twos leads to more good feelings in the Three of Wands. There could be a party of sorts.
There could be a wedding, a family gathering, a meeting between girlfriends over tea. But this one is pretty traditional to the RWS, and it reads in the same way.
Very harmonious and happy meetings can be expected.
This is a really pretty card, what with purple grape clusters hanging from above as if from an arbor. The grape leaves on the vines are turning colors, so it must be late summer/early autumn?
It's warm because two of the women have fans - though one is wearing rather out-of-place elbow gloves!
Lots of lovely blooming flowers around them like they are out for a casual stroll in a garden.

Three of Swords:
Hmmm. This one is a bit tougher. Oftentimes conflicts that are in the Two of Swords end in heartache in the Three of Swords. Sometimes the issue doesn't involve romantic relationships, though. In the image where a person sits with two swords crossed over their chest, this can mean that the person has to make a decision and is caught in a dilemma. The problem with that is that if one hesitates long enough in making the decision someone or something will come along and force an outcome. This may not always be satisfactory.
As I was told many times in my youth, if you give your power away, there is always someone around more powerful than you who is willing to come along and take it. Who needs that?
Now to the card. Huh?!
So. We have a water nymph - or undine - coming up to the shore amongst the water plants of what looks like a lake, could be a pond.
She is naked - laid bare, vulnerable.
She is situated lower than a young angel who's got to be Cupid. She is in the more submissive position....him being on the higher ground.
There are clouds stirring in the distance. Cupid has his bow resting between his left hand and his left thigh. His arrow is held loosely in his right hand while the water nymph is holding the arrow's tip.
The arrow is clean.
Was he going to shoot her with it? Is she pointing it at herself and asking him to shoot her? Is she inspecting the arrow so she can then instruct him to shoot at another?
At his feet is one broken arrow.
Drat! I used to know what a broken arrow signified. In the Old West when an arrow was broken didn't that mean that an act of trust had been violated between two parties?
In this particular card they both seem to be examining the arrow - the source of pain, as it were. Neither seems particularly emotional about it. Who knows whether the pain involved a relationship, an argument, or whatever? There was pain involved.
But examination is a good thing. Look back on the event, learn from it, and as soon as one can, move on from it.

Three of Pentacles:
The Two of Pentacles was a weighing of issues, juggling finances, striking a balance.
The hard work that was put forth in the Two of Wands has garnered positive attention from admirers and one is in a position to perfect their art or craft, or area of expertise in relative comfort for a while. This instills a sense of confidence as well.
In the picture, another really pretty one, we see two men in a garden in very relaxed poses.
There is a man seated on a carved bench with a smallish canvas and a paintbrush in his left hand. In his right hand he is holding another paintbrush. He has started putting his subject in the canvas but for the moment is looking intently off in the distance.
Lying beside him is a younger man with a piece of parchment and a quill pen. Is he the personal scribe of the artist? He must be doing well if he has his own documenter. The scribe might be notating all the pertinent information about the artist's new project. He also must be doing well - well paid - judging by his clothes.
It is clear by the dress of the artist that he has had some success.
In a reading, I think that would be the message....actually, I know it's just one possibility...that one could expect to get recognition for the initial success of their project after all the hard work they've put into it.
 

Grip Dellabonte

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Keavy McGee

Harmonious - Threes

Oh, my, has it really been a week since we started on the threes? I have been looking and re-looking at these and for some reason drawing pretty much a complete blank. These threes won't talk to me! waah!

So I went on the web to find out more about Mr. Walter Crane. First of all, The University of Manchester, UK is having a massive exhibit of his works now through May 2008. Here is the link to the site and the exhibit, titled Sleeping Beauties: Walter Crane and the Illustrated Book
http://www.whitworth.manchester.ac.uk/exhibitions/future/waltercrane/

Secondly, I found an article about his involvement in the Socialist movement at the turn of the 20th century:
http://www.wcml.org.uk/people/wcrane/crane.htm
I'm not sure how relevant this is to the deck, but since I haven't looked ahead at all the cards, it may come into play later on.

Third, Flora's Feast: A Masque of Flowers appears to be one of his major works. Here is a link to an 1889 copy:
http://www.margolisandmoss.com/cgi-bin/margolis/1801.html
I reference this because I feel like it would be another lens into the cards if we knew which flower he was using and how he perceived it. In Flora's Feast, there is a little poem with each image that captures its characteristics. I feel like I need a little flower decoder with this deck sometimes!!

And although there's lots more stuff out there, starting of course with Wikipedia, here is a link to his fairy tale illustrations:
http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/illustrations/illustrators/crane.html

So...on to the dreaded threes...here's my take, then I'll go back and read what you wrote previously.

Generally, threes are about what springs from the ones and twos. Initial outcomes. The child if you are parents. Creation. The Major three is the Empress with her bounty and generosity. So whatever was put in motion with the twos, now bears fruit or comes into form in some way, becomes tangible.

Swords
This looks like a story I should know, but not being a mythologist…A woman - or perhaps a sprite or a mermaid or a water spirit - is bathing in a lily pad pond. The sky is clear but there are clouds building in the distance over a far set of mountains. A barefoot winged cherub – Eros? – is about to fit his arrow to his bow, but first, the naked lady in the water inspects the arrow’s tip. Two more arrows lie crossed on the ground at his feet. Overhead the symbol of the card, three swords piercing a heart.

The female is naked, so she is without protection or artifice. Sizewise, she is a bit larger than Eros, so that seems to suggest a certain maturity. She is clinging to a tall flowering stalk while her modesty is barely covered by some shoreline reeds. I was struck by the position of Eros' arrow. In my mind, he traditionally has the bow raised and an arrow already nocked. So this seems to suggest vulnerabilty on the part of the little love god...look at my arrow, isn't it nice? He seems very relaxed and his head to one side again suggests vulnerability or sensitivity. I feel like his heart is unprotected, and his tunic does leave one side of his chest bare. Also, now bear with me here but it IS Eros...I know Crane illustrated children's books but there is a suggestion in my mind of the arrow being rather phallic and the examination of the arrow is rather...suggestive, isn't it? Call me crazy, but that's what I get!! I know this is called the Sorrow card and heartbreak, but to me those are emotional words that seem more related to the suit of Cups. Since this is Swords, there are ideas or words or misunderstandings that can lead to heartbreak. I think in this card that he is more vulnerable than her, not quite sure he measures up, and the potential is there for embarrassment and possibly even humiliation. It is the vulnerability in this card that strikes me as dominant, Am I good enough for you? If not...ouch, that hurts. So in a reading I might say to you, you have something to offer that is close to your heart, but you're afraid that if you do, it might be rejected and you're not sure you could handle that.


Cups
The three graces. Three elegantly gowned ladies in the garden with their palm fans. They are wearing flower hats. Rolling hills stretch off into the distance. Three cups float overhead. Over them is a cornice of grapes and leaves. First harvest. Fullness. Good feelings. Friendship. Gossip. Two’s company, three’s a crowd. Sisters. The Wyrd Sisters.

I love the Three of Cups, the party card!! I always think of the Three Graces - Beauty, Charm, Joy. It's such an exuberant card in many decks. In this case, it's a bit more understated and conversational, instead of romping with spilling, raised glasses on high. But the feeling of community and camaraderie is still very clear. Are they talking about their mother? Their beaus? The new neighbor who has nicer clothes and a handsomer carriage? It feels like a meeting of intimates, not strangers at a party, so there is a sense of ease and happiness. So this is a card pretty traditionally of weddings, baby showers, anniversaries, housewarmings, holidays, and any time families gather. A happy card.

Wands
Little Bo Peep. Only with a daisy-eyed cow. A daisy woman gazes to her right, looking for something. Behind her is a cow with horns and daisies for eyes. She is holding a frond of daisy like a walking stick. What is out there in the future? What’s coming? Who’s coming? When is it going to get here?

Somewhere out there - but not here and not right now - is what you are looking for. It's just not here yet.

Pentacles
O, the life of leisure. He paints, she models, in her red flannel Victorian warm-ups. Riches. Creativity. Arts. Ease. You have to have time to do art; very few poor people have leisure time.

This is the life I want! Sitting in the garden, painting, chatting, being inspired, or doing nothing. Because of the difference in their clothing, I would say now that this is his job and the woman on the ground is his wealthy client. He is extolling her virtues as he paints her. Marketing, you see. So this is a card about doing your work and getting results, and getting paid!

K, that's it for me. I'm off to the big corner window office with an unobstructed view of the Eiffel Tower. Don't I wish!!

Cairbre
 

celticnoodle

Grip Dellabonte said:
Drat! I used to know what a broken arrow signified. In the Old West when an arrow was broken didn't that mean that an act of trust had been violated between two parties?

actually i thought that a broken arrow symbolized truth and honesty and was usually given to someone to acknowledge that the giver could be trusted. You know, the arrow is broken so the receiver knows he can trust the giver not to betray him, and vice versa.

i've just stumbled across this thread, and have not read through, so I imagine someone else may have given the meaning and I may be wrong.
 

Grip Dellabonte

I have spent a bit of time on the internet this morning trying to find an answer, celticnoodle, and I don't really think I've come up with a definitive one! Anyone who wants to weigh in on this...that would be great.


Question and Answer
Song title is "Broken Arrow", remade by Rod Stewart. Line is "Who else is gonna bring you a broken arrow, who else is gonna bring you a bottle of rain?" I'd also like to know if anyone has any opinions on what they believe the song is about or means.

Best Answer - Chosen By Voters

He's heart broken over a guy that has his love interest stunned. He'll bring her a broken arrow...Heart Break He'll bring her a bottle of rain...tears He wants her and he is singing for her :)

That quoted conversation was in reference to the Robbie Robertson song made popular by Rod Stewart.

Did you see them, did you see them?
Did you see them in the river?
They were there to wave to you.
Could you tell that the empty quivered,
Brown skinned indian on the banks
That were crowded and narrow,
Held a broken arrow?

However, this lyric from a Neil Young song seems to imply "peace", as you said.




Having learned much from each other, Jeffords and Cochise symbolize the white/Indian detente with the traditional broken arrow.
This quote is from AMG and is in reference to the movie Broken Arrow with James Stewart and Jeff Chandler.


I just found this....looks pretty definitive!
http://www.geocities.com/ctesibos/symbols/native-american.html
 

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Grip Dellabonte

Hey, a_y_w -

Nice to see you back! "The dreaded threes"....yes, I've had problems with them in working with the New Orleans Voodoo Tarot with Little Baron. I know how you feel.
But, you still found some really interesting things to talk about, and I had to go look at the cards again.

Swords
This looks like a story I should know, but not being a mythologist…A woman - or perhaps a sprite or a mermaid or a water spirit - is bathing in a lily pad pond. The sky is clear but there are clouds building in the distance over a far set of mountains. A barefoot winged cherub – Eros? – is about to fit his arrow to his bow, but first, the naked lady in the water inspects the arrow’s tip. Two more arrows lie crossed on the ground at his feet. Overhead the symbol of the card, three swords piercing a heart.

The female is naked, so she is without protection or artifice. Sizewise, she is a bit larger than Eros, so that seems to suggest a certain maturity. She is clinging to a tall flowering stalk while her modesty is barely covered by some shoreline reeds. I was struck by the position of Eros' arrow. In my mind, he traditionally has the bow raised and an arrow already nocked. So this seems to suggest vulnerabilty on the part of the little love god...look at my arrow, isn't it nice? He seems very relaxed and his head to one side again suggests vulnerability or sensitivity. I feel like his heart is unprotected, and his tunic does leave one side of his chest bare. Also, now bear with me here but it IS Eros...I know Crane illustrated children's books but there is a suggestion in my mind of the arrow being rather phallic and the examination of the arrow is rather...suggestive, isn't it? Call me crazy, but that's what I get!! I know this is called the Sorrow card and heartbreak, but to me those are emotional words that seem more related to the suit of Cups. Since this is Swords, there are ideas or words or misunderstandings that can lead to heartbreak. I think in this card that he is more vulnerable than her, not quite sure he measures up, and the potential is there for embarrassment and possibly even humiliation. It is the vulnerability in this card that strikes me as dominant, Am I good enough for you? If not...ouch, that hurts. So in a reading I might say to you, you have something to offer that is close to your heart, but you're afraid that if you do, it might be rejected and you're not sure you could handle that.

You see Eros as being vulnerable while I saw the water nymph as being vulnerable. I think it's good to have both perspectives. That would help to free up the mind when doing a reading. I didn't see that at all, but I do see where you get that feeling, and I think it works. He could be the vulnerable one.
I still see a broken arrow at his feet and not two arrows. However, if that's how the image sticks in your head, that may be an important way to interpret it: 3 arrows = 3 of swords. It does work as well.
I also can sort of get what you're saying about him not quite measuring up, and that pain he would feel in relation to that.
Phallic? You're not crazy. I just didn't go there. But I don't often go there until someone points it out to me, and then I'm like, "NERRR!" I rarely see it first...(thick-headed, I guess! That whole draw-me-a-picture snarky comment we all can sometimes make obviously doesn't always work with me!).
I like the way you finished up on how that might work in a reading.
After researching a little bit on some insight provided by celticnoodle - if that is a broken arrow at his feet...the general consensus on the 'net so far indicates that that is a symbol of peace. That info might impact a reading as well....

Three of Cups: Other observations I have made in going over your notes is that the two women in the background who are facing forward and conversing with the lady with her back to us - they are pointing in opposite directions. Reminds me of TweedleDee and TweedleDum!
And the one with the gloves on is probably a Drama Queen (I have a daughter who always dresses for effect, and sometimes she can really make me laugh! But she's an original....). And actually, we can't tell if Gloved One has a fan...she may, we just don't see it.

Three of Pentacles: Honestly I can't tell if the person reclining is male or female. You're right about the red gown - can't see a young man wearing that unless it is just a long painter's smock or something. But the cap on his head made me think this was a young man.
However, try as I might, I just can't get in my head a woman of that era lounging around on the ground like that in such a familiar pose. It just seems uncouth! Ha! My Victorian alter ego rears its haughty head......
Again.....it's up to what comes through your filters. I see what you're getting at.

I am going to go read your links more thoroughly. I just sort of skimmed them. It would be nice to see his show in Manchester. Too bad it's not exactly just around the corner!
Seems like more and more there are things I like coming from, or having some connection to, Manchester, UK.....

Also, you can get some of his books on Amazon still. You probably knew that. I've been tempted but I have about half a mil's worth of tarot books and pagan books lined up first. Mr. Crane will just have to get in line.
 

celticnoodle

Did you see them, did you see them?
Did you see them in the river?
They were there to wave to you.
Could you tell that the empty quivered,
Brown skinned indian on the banks
That were crowded and narrow,
Held a broken arrow? Who else is gonna bring you a broken arrow, who else is gonna bring you a bottle of rain?" I'd also like to know if anyone has any opinions on what they believe the song is about or means.

i found online where the bottle of rain is for good luck/crops. so, it would seem to me that he is talking about the indian offering them peace and luck. But, I'm not sure really, i'm just guessing here.
 

Grip Dellabonte

But I do appreciate the input, celticnoodle. It helps see things from all angles.
For instance, while I did like the one person's interpretation of the song, I also like yours.
And...being a rain lover, in a reading I might subconciously go toward your interpretation because I see rain as a good thing.
However, Bono always said Irishmen always have a little rain in their music. So sometimes rain can be seen as reflecting more somber emotions.
I like that you have posted twice and each time given me something else to think about.
 

Keavy McGee

Response to Grip - Threes

Thanks for the greeting and the kind words, Grip. What a Monday! But to get right to it...loved your take on the threes, and you made it all sound so reasonable. And since you gave me such nice feedback, I wanted to return the favour...I just hope I remember how to do quotes now, ha...
Grip Dellabonte said:
Threes are the natural outcomes of the decisions made by the twos. They are the province of the Empress, so they are that which has been created.
Three of Wands:
The Three of Wands is a product of the Two of Wands. So a decision, having been made, is now beginning to bear fruit. These are the early stages but it's when hope blooms because at least one sees an outcome for their efforts.
Whether a creative endeavor or something related to business/career, you have made good choices that are paying off. You're in a good place.
I like how you started out here; very positive and confident, like the card!
There is a large, docile white bull behind her ...
BULL?!!! ha!! I saw a cow!! With horns no less. D'uh!! Can you tell I didn't take Biology?!!
(this instantly reminded me of a holiday crown rib roast where the chefs put those tiny white paper crowns on the tops of the rib bones to be fancy. Not looking good for the bull's future...!).
Oh, Lord, what an image. You are too funny.
Where he is at ease, she seems mildly expectant about something.
Nice way of putting that; good contrast.
While there are differences in this card to the traditional, there are also some similarities. For instance, the lady is standing on a hill, surveying. She may not be on as high a point as the man gazing out to sea, but she's still elevated. And she's looking out toward the distance as he does.
Nice. I did not catch this and now it will stick in my mind.
Bo Peep like crook
That's what I saw! We must have learned the same nursery rhymes!
The "man on the hill" waits for his ships to come in, and the lady is waiting on her herd. It's the same thing. It's the outcome of what they've poured into their business. They can't take the next step until the ships dock and the herd catches up, so they have a little longer to wait.
Really a nice concise way of summarizing.
Three of Cups:
The affection of the twos leads to more good feelings in the Three of Wands. There could be a party of sorts.
There could be a wedding, a family gathering, a meeting between girlfriends over tea. But this one is pretty traditional to the RWS, and it reads in the same way.
Very harmonious and happy meetings can be expected.
Isn't it funny how few words it takes to say, "This is a GREAT card!".
Three of Swords:
...Sometimes the issue doesn't involve romantic relationships... In the image where a person sits with two swords crossed over their chest, this can mean that the person has to make a decision and is caught in a dilemma. The problem...is that if one hesitates long enough in making the decision someone or something will come along and force an outcome. This may not always be satisfactory.
Good points.
She is in the more submissive position....him being on the higher ground.
Ah, I didn't see it that way. Thank you.
The arrow is clean.
Well, I hate to keep writing, "Good point..." but er....
At his feet is one broken arrow.
Yup, I'm blind, I see it now. One arrow, broken. Check. Enjoyed your convo with celticnoodle re meaning of broken arrow.
But examination is a good thing. Look back on the event, learn from it, and as soon as one can, move on from it.
Good advice, not always easy to do for us over-sensitive types.
Three of Pentacles:
The Two of Pentacles was a weighing of issues, juggling finances, striking a balance...The hard work that was put forth in the Two of Wands has garnered positive attention from admirers and one is in a position to perfect their art or craft, or area of expertise in relative comfort for a while. This instills a sense of confidence as well.
Nice segue from the Twos; I will try to remember to look at the cards this way, as a progression instead of standing alone.
...we see two men in a garden...
What?!?! Two MEN?!? Really?!?! Here we go again with the gender thang - you saw a bull, I saw a cow. You see two men, I see a man and a woman. How funny!! I saw your comments after my post though and I have to agree with your little notion that a Victorian woman would not be lying on the ground like that. Touche!

Phew, we're done. I've learned a lot from our discussion of the Threes. Shall we move on to the Fours (I hope they're easier)?

Ta, Tchus, and Ciao4Now,

Keavy
 

Grip Dellabonte

These turned out to be not so bad after all. A lot of interesting ideas came out of discussing this group of threes. Let's see what happens with the fours. And of course, the fives should be peachy......