The Hat on the King of Cups

[Teheuti]

Originally Posted by le pendu

The image with the horseman and cup is from the same scene as Lorenzo il Magnifico... here:
http://www.wga.hu/art/g/gozzoli/3magi/1/12young.jpg

Off topic, but couldn't this be the source of the RWS 6 of Wands?

Mary

[Melanchollic]

Originally Posted by Moonbow

It would be interesting to know 'why' the item (cup?) is being carried and to whom or for what purpose.

I imagine the scenario went something like this:


Knight: "Your Martini, Sire?"

Lorenzo: "Shaken, not stirred?"

Knight: "Certainly Sire!"



Cheers,

R
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[Le Fanu]

Teheuti.. check out my earlier postings; I referred to Venice, the visit of John VIII of Constantine to Venice etc and these Medici frescoes in my first post....I just didnt have the illustrations (or the technical knowledge to post them...)

[Teheuti]

Originally Posted by Le Fanu

Teheuti.. check out my earlier postings; I referred to Venice, the visit of John VIII of Constantine to Venice etc and these Medici frescoes in my first post....I just didnt have the illustrations (or the technical knowledge to post them...)

Thanks. The more materials the better. I believe there's even more pictures in Venice that we can refer to. It is a treasure-trove everywhere you look!!! I'll have to get some of my Venice pictures onto my computer.

[le pendu]

Originally Posted by Moonbow*

Notice the spurs?

Of course! (le pendu believes the knights should wear spurs)

I don't know how common it is (probably common), but I also noticed that the headgear on the Knight of Baton's horse is "triangular", coming to a point on the forehead, like one of the horses in the image:



PS: Hell.. even the garment on the Valet in the painting looks a lot like the garment on the Knight..doesn't it?

[le pendu]

Originally Posted by Le Fanu

... his prophets have these extraordinary turbans and stylised oriental eyes, but their clothes are quite European-Baroque-drapery in style. I saw your post and thought of these, what with the turbans and eyes in the Vieville....This exotic mixture of European stateliness and what was thought to be Oriental.

In summary, I read a book by Germain Bazin (who was then a curator - or at least somebody important - of the Louvre I think) which had a kind of sourcing about Oriental headgear. A chapter on possible sources of the turbans in these extraordinary sculptures which have traces of both European art and also Oriental. Or maybe Byzantine? A bit like the Vieville really. I think that´s his name; I´ll have to check it. It was a fascinating essay. Basically, it was a way of conveying exoticism, and goes back to the 3 Magi tradition.

BINGO.

Thanks so very much for your contribution to this thread!!! I'm sure there is much more to explore, but look at the riches revealed so far!

[le pendu]

Originally Posted by Teheuti

Thanks. The more materials the better. I believe there's even more pictures in Venice that we can refer to. It is a treasure-trove everywhere you look!!! I'll have to get some of my Venice pictures onto my computer.

Mary, it would be wonderful if you could add some more images to the conversion.

Isn't it lovely to hear of Venice and Florence in these discussions? I've heard they have both contributed (at least a little bit) to the "world of art" in their time...

[Melanchollic]

While were on the topic of spurs, a few bits of 'equestrian trivia' that may or may not be of interest. Not only the spur, but the modern 'cowboy' boot itself is a direct desendent of the medieval riding boot, which was of course introduced in the 'New World' by the Spanish Conquistadores.

Sig. Gozzoli obviously didn't ride horses, or take the time to observe those who did. The feet should be held with heel down, toe up, to prevent the foot from slipping into the stirrup if the horse bolts. A thrown rider with a foot caught in a stirrup would be trampled to death. Also the boots would have had a taller heel to further prevent the foot going into the stirrup.

More fun facts to know and share...

[Teheuti]

Originally Posted by le pendu

Mary, it would be wonderful if you could add some more images to the conversion.

http://books.google.com/books?id=10Rrl29pBMYC&
http://www.nysun.com/article/51444

http://www.library.utoronto.ca/moori..._transpark.jpg

Big hatted Holy Roman Emperor
http://www.paradoxplace.com/Perspect...milian%20I.htm

And another off-topic Tower-like picture:

[mac22]

tons of great info..... thx Everyone.....

mac22