study group application ~ sun, moon & ASC

[bibi]

sun in Leo
ascendant Cancer
moon in Libra

Does this mean I'm overly sensitive to remarks cos of my cancer ascendant coupled with leo pride and always try to avoid unpleasant situations?

[isthmus nekoi]

Well, Cancer squares Libra and inconjuncts Leo so it's a little bit "off" w/your sun and moon energies. Cancer does indicate sensitivity, not sure if you would call it oversensitive. The three blending would indicate to me someone who's quite caring even w/the Cancerian shell.

Incidently, if you don't mind me asking, do your parents find it difficult to connect to you sometimes? (I ask b/c ASC is often the "family role" while sun/moon represent one's parents.)

[squeakmo9]

Sun and moon in Taurus
ASC in Leo

I was once told by an astologer that I tend to "square" myself off. She said that I cause most of my own problems, self-sabotaging behavior. I can see where that was true early on and would like to believe that I'm improving as I grow older-hopefully

[wizzle]

Thought I'd make an observation about Astrid's sun/moon combo before posting my own stats. I know some earlier threads stated that when the sun and moon were in adjoining signs this was somehow difficult, but I don't find it so. After we have that nice meal in Taurus, we can have a good post meal chat in Geminii; after going into the depths of mysteries and making compost in Scorpio, we can get philosophical about it all in Sagitarius. Squares are tougher, but they at least have the commonality of cardinality, mutability, etc.

I think Astrid's combo, the quincunx, is the toughest on the sun and the moon. There is no commonality at all between the quality of the signs or the area of life. I know this isn't common wisdom so I thought I'd throw it in.

Didn't someone at the beginning of this thread have a yod? (two planets sextile each other and quincunx the third). That's not called "the finger of god" for nothing.

And I think it's wrong to think of water as somehow weak. Fluid, yes. Weak no. After all, it wears away stones and douses fires. 2/3's of our planet is made of water and it can freeze into some huge and nasty hailstones or become an iceberg to sink Capricornian's Titanic.

[prudence]

Thanks for this, wizzle. Does this cause the discomfort I pointed to earlier in the thread? (the feeling sometimes of being "torn") Also, I was wondering if my sun being at 00 degrees Pisces has any bearing on this feeling of discomfort or extremes of personality?

[wizzle]

Not to criticize or anything, but the ascendent is THE interface between our souls and our environment, hence, our bodies. I see NO discussions of how anyone looks or interfaces with our world through their ascendent's sign and aspects.

I've deferred my own reply because this is a very complicated subject. I need to both think it through and do research.

I'd certainly like to see some posters revisit their ascendents in light of my comment.

[isthmus nekoi]

wizzle,

You may want to bear in mind that this thread started out as one for beginners to slowly integrate different aspects of their chart, so perhaps it may seem superficial to a more learned reader. I had just started learning astro w/this thread too, so it's strange to see it active again. I'd love to see some of the posters reassess their placements, but I suspect most of them have probably left after gaining some initial impressions. Which is fine, to each his own.

As for the link b/w the ASC and the body, this link may be of interest to you: http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces - I doubt it could be used to verify anything scientifically as it seeks to do, plus the accuracy of the ASC sign is questionable, but at least there are some non-Caucasian examples.

[prudence]

Originally Posted by wizzle

Not to criticize or anything, but the ascendent is THE interface between our souls and our environment, hence, our bodies. I see NO discussions of how anyone looks or interfaces with our world through their ascendent's sign and aspects.

I've deferred my own reply because this is a very complicated subject. I need to both think it through and do research.

I'd certainly like to see some posters revisit their ascendents in light of my comment.

hi wizzle,
I don't quite understand, do you mean we have had no discussions about how we physically look, our body types, in relation to ascendant? (btw, I am pretty new to astrology, so I do apologise for not understanding this!)

[wizzle]

Originally Posted by isthmus nekoi

wizzle,

You may want to bear in mind that this thread started out as one for beginners to slowly integrate different aspects of their chart, so perhaps it may seem superficial to a more learned reader. I had just started learning astro w/this thread too, so it's strange to see it active again. I'd love to see some of the posters reassess their placements, but I suspect most of them have probably left after gaining some initial impressions. Which is fine, to each his own.

As for the link b/w the ASC and the body, this link may be of interest to you: http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces - I doubt it could be used to verify anything scientifically as it seeks to do, plus the accuracy of the ASC sign is questionable, but at least there are some non-Caucasian examples.

You make a good point isthmus. But I posted my comment because this was a beginners thread. Integrating all of the points/aspects/houses/planets is the tricky part of astrology. And that can't be done without understanding the basics. They are IMO:

1. Planets represent energies (WHAT). We all have every energy we need. The energy of the planets represent the material/earth (venus, saturn), aspiration/fire (sun, jupiter, mars), emotion/water (moon, neptune, pluto) and thought/air (mercury, uranus). Period. We don't "lack" earth, water, etc. because we don't have planets in some signs. I used to think that, btw because of the text explanations.
2. Signs are HOW those energies express themselves. What and how can be comfortable or at odds. We can't possibly have planets in every sign, so our expression of earth, for example, may be unconventional according to the textbooks or downright odd.
3. Houses are WHERE the energy is expressed. And the Ascendent is a very very special where. It is where we were created into material being, hence the association of our body with the rising sign. It is the mask we present to the world.

We may have the soul of Mozart but look like Vulcan. Or we may have the soul of a serial killer but look like a madona. The sun and moon are the primary keys to that inner soul but the body is the primary mask.

I've been re-reading one of my older asto texts. It was so bold as to say things like "and the native with this rising sign will be slim, blond, with steady eyes and an open expression." Wow!! Pure bunk, in my not so humble oppinion. BUT, the rising sign and it's ruler ought to be able to describe at least the mask with which we face our world. As an aside, can you imagine doing a reading for an Afro-American or someone from China that explains that they are a tall, blond based on their rising sign?

I'll post my unholy trinity, I promise. Then you can have at.

In the mean time, posters might want to review their ideas in light of my comments. Examples....how do you use your body? are you clumsy? crafty?
How do you come on at a party or at work (the place where your mask is most in evidence) Are you reserved? in everyone's face? What is your attitude towards clothes? If the ascendent is our body/mask for facing the world, clothes are our mask for the mask.

What I'm hoping for is that folks will be able to distinguish their sun and moon energies from where they go about them when entering the world (ascendent). Otherwise, we end up with that stupid "sun sign" GOO beloved of pop astrologists.

p.s. I hope I answered Astrid's question too. My readings of the posts were that the descriptions were sort of like soup....it was all there but you couldn't tell the carrots from the potatoes. In what ways is the lunar energy channeled? How is it different from the sun/ascendent? Example: if you chat a lot is that because you have sun in geminii or a virgo ascendent?

[isthmus nekoi]

Originally Posted by wizzle

I've been re-reading one of my older asto texts. It was so bold as to say things like "and the native with this rising sign will be slim, blond, with steady eyes and an open expression." Wow!! Pure bunk, in my not so humble oppinion.

Ah yes! That was exactly my problem w/some older astrology texts. They only described Caucasians. I've Mars conj my Aquarian ASC, so apparently I'm supposed to have red hair; not in the family genes I'm afraid. I do however have a beauty mark on my temple, just as Lilly has described and I was in a car accident that left a scar around my eyebrow. As for a more general observation, as a fixed sign ASC, my appearance doesn't change much. I don't have any piercings, same hairstyle since I was a preteen, consistent weight etc. Clothes becomes more complex. I think other factors in conjunction w/the ASC sign determine clothing style b/c they are also a purchase/possession.

I find that b/c the ASC is the way one interfaces w/their environment, ppl often identify more w/their ASC, sometimes more than the sun sign. It often symbolizes the social role one adapts to, and not as "core" as the sun.