study group application ~ sun, moon & ASC

[prudence]

I have been thinking about this question, and after reading Isthmus' reply, I have a better understanding...


my sun is 00 degrees pisces in 12th house
my moon is 16 degrees leo in 5th house
my asc is 22 degrees pisces in 1st house

ok, so this means my asc is a mutable sign. My appearance has changed quite a lot over the years, first I was very skinny, then over the last 10 years or so, I have become, not so skinny! But as far as clothing is concerned, it has stayed fairly similar, for as long as I remember. I have not read any books that mentioned how one looks, in regards to astrological placements...Is there a typical pisces "look"? (I am cauc, blond to light brown hair, green eyes, not tall, small frame) I have read that pisces "rules the feet" and I can attest to the fact that I have had foot troubles for about 5 or 6 years.

Also, with my asc in the 1st house, does this tie into my self image even more since 1st house is about self image? I have always run a way from and not been too fond of the pisces bit, and this is why I have only just started looking at astrology! But, looking at my chart, with just a little more understanding, it seems there is no way I can run away from that pisces energy. (I am now much more okay with the pisces stuff, but this explains a lot of the self loathing that went on in my 20's)

[prudence]

2. Signs are HOW those energies express themselves. What and how can be comfortable or at odds. We can't possibly have planets in every sign, so our expression of earth, for example, may be unconventional according to the textbooks or downright odd.
3. Houses are WHERE the energy is expressed. And the Ascendent is a very very special where. It is where we were created into material being, hence the association of our body with the rising sign. It is the mask we present to the world.


Wizzle, thank you for this! I really understand what you are explaining...this is all very complex, and the way you said this made perfect sense to me. (#2 really hit it home for me) I have been thinking along those lines of, wow, I have no earth in my chart etc...and have met a lot of newbies to the subject who are doing the same thing...

[wizzle]

I can't tell you how pleased I am that my explanation is at all helpful. It's not out of a text book; it's what makes sense to me. I am trying very hard to to stay out of textbooks so I can develop a deeper understanding of astrology. Also, I've never been happy with textbook explanations of the ascendent. They always sounded just like sun-signs to me.

I do want to ammend my statement that houses represent "where." That's a good keyword, but probably saying they are "areas of life" is a better description. AOL's, as it were <<grin>>

With this expanded description, the body as the primary vehicle for the 1st area of life still applies and the body is how the world sees us. And we can add the idea that this is the way we see the world, both literally and metaphorically.

Since I'm developing these ideas on the fly, please feel free to disagree or whatever.

[rcb30872]

Here is my astrological chart info

Sun in Virgo 7 degrees, 24 minutes
Moon in Taurus 26 degrees, 29 minutes
Ascendent in Capricorn 22 degrees, 14 minutes

There is more stuff, but I have only put in what is relevant to this thread.

My sun is in the 7th house, which means that I am interested in relationships and that I do better working with other people than by myself. So true!! Especially when it comes to exercise type situations!! I love to share. I will be successful with the associations and people in general because of my good manners and charms.

My moon is in the 3rd house, which means that my feminity will manifest itself through the power of my mind and intuition. I am very restless, and may travel a lot and form many connections with people. I am capable of understanding other people's feelings and to convey sensations and states of mind. I cannot stand routine. I can be be a romantic and an imaginative dreamer.

Capricorn rising (1st house cusp). People see me as a serious, hard-working and responsible woman. I have great intelligence and a practical sense so that I can solve most of my problems. I do not like to depend on others and I am used to assuming all responsibilities including, sometimes, others. I am neither highly communicative not interested in superficial relationships because I value my time. My childhood has led me into maturing head of time. I have developed the ability to command. So true, especially with problems associated between my mum and dad, I was the one telling mum that she had to do this and that, and getting her to do it along with helping. If I overcome negative and pessimistic attitudes, I will gain much success in my life

Bec

[isthmus nekoi]

Astrid O, Pisces energy is very misunderstood and undervalued in N. American society, I've found. Couple that w/the 12th house sun and it may be a bit more of a challenge to express your Piscean side. (But worth the effort!)

As for lack of element or empty signs/houses in a chart, it certainly doesn't mean that's not there in your life. Transits, progressions and the environment you're born into will help you integrate these parts into your life. I find those w/a lack of element find it easier to access that element through their environment. My bf has no earth like you, and loves woodworking for example.

wizzle,

Yes, textbooks can only take you so far. Who would you rather give you an operation? A doctor who's read all the textbooks or a doctor who's operated many times before? A balance of both is best I'm sure, but b/c texts I've read seem to be very N.American in their sensibility, I've found I've had to shift them a lot in order to apply them to many of the charts I've read. (ASC appearance being a good example.)

As for the ASC, I prefer the word matrix to mask. Mask implies the ASC sign is something outside of yourself that you put on to face the world whereas I see the ASC as an integral part of a person that you can't just take off.

bec,

You've got some strong earth going there! I hear ya about the exercise

[prudence]

[QUOTE=isthmus nekoi]Astrid O, Pisces energy is very misunderstood and undervalued in N. American society, I've found. Couple that w/the 12th house sun and it may be a bit more of a challenge to express your Piscean side. (But worth the effort!)

As for lack of element or empty signs/houses in a chart, it certainly doesn't mean that's not there in your life. Transits, progressions and the environment you're born into will help you integrate these parts into your life. I find those w/a lack of element find it easier to access that element through their environment. My bf has no earth like you, and loves woodworking for example.


~ahhh, things are coming more clear to me now. This must be why I love sculpting, this is also something I have begun doing only in the past few years. Maybe this has something to do with my relocating in California...

[rcb30872]

Very good point Astid O. I have read that if there are certain elements that you are lacking in the chart then you have to work on developing them. For me, I think that I need to develop more Water qualities in myself (and probably Fire). Does that make sense?

Bec

[prudence]

Hi Bec, thanks, yes it does make very good sense. (lots of Earth in your sun/moon/asc). I am wondering, can a solution to lack of, say water, be as simple as choosing to swim once a week?

To me, if a solution is that simple in astrology, then there's nothing to fret over regarding charts....or is this seeing it too simplistically? So, I guess what I am asking is, is it really this easy?


Thanks again, this is helping me to understand some things that so far had really stumped me.

[rcb30872]

Originally Posted by Astrid O

Hi Bec, thanks, yes it does make very good sense. (lots of Earth in your sun/moon/asc). I am wondering, can a solution to lack of, say water, be as simple as choosing to swim once a week?

Good point. Pity I am not a good swimmer. But in my case I will first need to start on drinking more water!!!!!

Bec

[light2000]

Hello!!

My sun is virgo 18 degrees 2th house
My moon is gemini 5 degrees 10th house
My asc. is leo 11 degress


I´m pretty new at astrology.
I think this 3 is the most important planets on one chart. They dont have any aspects.

The sun on the 2th house make me an anbicious woman (i think) and very possessive.
The pleasure is very important for me, and ishould work hard for see my objectives acomplish.

I´m pretty like this at my spiritual side, always more and more objectives, but at money i dont think i´m not like this.