Pages as Outcomes in Love

[Farzon]

I have seen Pages come up for sexual things, but it's usually rare. Maybe it's my mindset as a mother that keeps me from seeing that because as people cards I see them as children.

I learned reading with the Hermetic Tarot, so I tend to see the Pages as Princesses in disguise. And there are not many child-like attributes to the Princesses.

Romantic is different than sexual. I don't see how sexual aspects are ignored. On the contrary, I see sexuality all over American television. I think people in the West are too caught up in the sexual aspect of romance. I even see it on this forum with people often trying to start a relationship based purely on sex and they are often surprised when the relationship doesn't work out. So it would be undeveloped to say that you would start with the sexual aspects of a relationship because there isn't a relationship base to form a real relationship on. There is nothing solid there. Just people being ignorant to how a real relationship is formed, which isn't on sex, no matter what the media portrays. Though, this is just my experience as a woman and a mother.

Going off topic here: sexuality in the real world is something very different than what we see in TV. And as I have said, there should be other cards around for a relationship. Sexuality can't be the only base for a relationship, I agree. But it's better than nothing at all. And finally, I don't believe in platonic love. I've never seen this work out. In my case, it might be my point of view as a man.

In my example about the couple with the Page of Wands/Death reversed there was actually very little sex. So there was nothing but hot tempered disagreements between them. She was a passionate, fiery woman, no doubt, but she wasn't a sexual woman. The woman wasn't from the West and so sex is often viewed very differently in different cultures.

Hot tempered disagreement really fits this Page! Again, my statement was just about the Pages as such, completely disregarding any surrounding cards.

 

[IndigoWaves]

I saw the Page of Wands and Death reversed come up in a relationship reading for a friend two summers ago. I don't really remember the positions and I didn't write it down. But I do remember saying that the relationship was over, yet one person as still clinging to the relationship and trying to make it work. As to this date, that relationship never took off in the direction and one person in that relationship ended up marrying someone else.

In another reading, the Page of Pentacles and Queen of Cups came up. The Page was in the outcome position. I believe this was indicating that even though the querent was fixated on the other person, nothing was going to result from it. I saw the fixation from both the Queen of Cups and Page of Pentacles who both seem extremely fixated on their object.

I'd have interpreted those cards similarly, including the intensity (or obsessiveness) of the Page of Pents and Queen of Cups... Even a seemingly standoffish Page of Swords can be fixated, though: by a desire to find out answers/assuage curiosity, or to win an argument and be seen as "right"/smart (not caring so much about winning the other person, per se.)

Pages may be harmless enough, even nice to see in a relationship reading (except for the PS, perhaps, unless mental sparring is enjoyed)... But as its greatest potential or 'Outcome', they can leave a lot to be desired -- and often, just one person desiring it.

 

[scorpiogirl]

I like seeing the page of Wands/cups as outcome ...I have seen it as a "spark" or "feelings" between two people. In one reading I did the POW was outcome and the querent got unexpectedly pregnant Lol.

 

[IndigoWaves]

Pregnancy/child-rearing doesn't guarantee a more committed or satisfying relationship, though (if such is also desired); sometimes, quite the contrary. Subsequent readings may be needed to help determine this.

 

[Padma]

Laurelle, you missed my post on page 1 when responding with feedback. Can you please give me feedback, as well? Thanks

 

[Laurelle]

In a way, I am totally behind Rodney's interpretation on this one.

I've read that the Pages are the seeds or the precursors for the energy of the Aces of their suit; i.e., the Pages are like a seed taking shape and showing the direction it will grow in (what type of plant it will be, according to the suit of the Page) and then you can glimpse further into the nature of the Page, by looking at the Ace of its suit, to see what the flowering bud will look like.

For example, if the Page shows as the Page of Swords, in my mind then he will bring the energy of the Ace of Swords to the relationship; and the potential of what that Ace implies.

So you could see the Pages as messengers about the energy or feel of the relationship; the potential that the particular suit implies would be what follows.

This, of course, is just about how I read them.

I apologize for not getting back to you. I haven't even looked at this thread for a few days or been on the forum. It's been busy. The last email update I got to this thread was Farzon, so I also missed a few other replies.

I'm not sure what you mean by the aces and pages. If you read them as if they are similar, then do they have a the firm difference between them?

 

[Laurelle]

Pages may be harmless enough, even nice to see in a relationship reading (except for the PS, perhaps, unless mental sparring is enjoyed)... But as its greatest potential or 'Outcome', they can leave a lot to be desired -- and often, just one person desiring it.

This is sort of what I've seen. If it's the outcome then all that's been planted is a seed. It doesn't show whether the seed has grown or not. Will it or won't it grow? Time may tell, but that really isn't what the outcome card is about....

hmm...which is why I usually put time limits on my outcome card and read it sort of a future card. But I also read the outcome as a "all wrapped up and ready to send to the publisher." It's the final chapter in a book where the book can be a series (or not).

 

[Laurelle]

Pregnancy/child-rearing doesn't guarantee a more committed or satisfying relationship, though (if such is also desired); sometimes, quite the contrary. Subsequent readings may be needed to help determine this.

No it doesn't. It reminds me of the woman who lives upstairs. She was telling me that "we both decided we didn't want to get remarried...." and then...."women in there 40s should have babies...."

No tarot reading there. Just my sense that she was deeply in love or at least maybe more than him, so much she was thinking to herself....."Maybe a baby...."

Had to share that..

 

[Laurelle]

I like seeing the page of Wands/cups as outcome ...I have seen it as a "spark" or "feelings" between two people. In one reading I did the POW was outcome and the querent got unexpectedly pregnant Lol.

It definitely can be, which I think maybe what Padma is also trying to say. There is a spark or a seedling there.....

 

[IndigoWaves]

she was thinking to herself....."Maybe a baby...."

I've noticed the Page of Pents reflecting that exact mindset here on AT before, actually... Multiple times.