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I owe you a big apology. The apology is rather involved, so bear with me. It all started with:
Originally Posted by Teheuti
For instance, how do you interpret the Tower as Venus?

. . . to which you replied . . .
Originally Posted by kwaw
Very, very briefly, Venus = insatiable desire of the appetitive soul [the ever consuming, all devouring mouth; Pe means 'mouth'].
. . . and yes . . .
Also re: mouth, we have to speak in tongues, multiplication of languages, the tower of babble, so in either Eve as Woman fallen or Babylon the Whore we have Venus Natura, in contrast to Mary, New Eve, Venus Urania.
. . . which I was not ignoring, merely pointing at as the primary meaning. But then I went on as if disputing your original contention Venus = Tower = all-devouring mouth, saying:
Originally Posted by venicebard
The evidence . . . is that peh stands for the poetic mysteries . . . and as for Hebrew roots, I don't have my peh-cards with me (and have not yet mapped peh-roots, only gathered them), but I would be surprised if it does not back me up in this. Indeed if it fails to (and I shall put it next on my list to map), I shall run, not walk, to this thread and say so, with apologies.
Now it does not turn out that I was wrong about peh mainly meaning the poetic-prophetic mysteries, or at least speech-along-with-breath and root-clusters such as to divide up and distinguished (which would include refinement of speech via dividing it up into its constituent sounds, making one 'distinguished', that is, 'special'.

But there is also another cluster of root-meanings centered around just what you seek in peh, although for me this only relates indirectly to XVI LeMaisonDieu in that bardic O-F-S, standing for increase (spring's vowel and first two tree-months), is 4-8-16: roots pointing to a sexual encounter. But the embarrassing part is that I have indeed pointed to a peh-Venus link myself in the past, based on F-fearn-alder's connexion to both peh and the rune *faihu, Fro's or Freyr's rune, and hence to Friday in that he was god of love as well as of fertility (chief deity in ancient Sweden, appropriately enough).

I've only mapped half of the peh roots so far -- and one main bunching is around its F-fearn aspect (as opposed to P-peith aspect) as first month of spring (fat abundance, spread-scatter, etc.) -- but it is now clear that one bunch of roots celebrates carnal love (spring's specialty): PGL be impure, PUK [U = V as vowel] eye-paint [stibium], PUTh prob. be spread open whence PTh 1. nakednes or pudendum muliebre [Is. 5.17], and the word PLGSh/PYLGSh concubine.

Because one suppresses fearn the alder in placing samekh at its station in [what I take as the original] Qabbalah, I on rare occasions forget to take it into consideration at all, a sort of occasional blind-spot. It's actually, I suppose, an unintentional form of mythological misogyny, in that my mind like most is (in its formation) affected by the prophets' ousting of non-monotheistic things from Judaism, including God's own consort! (I do understand the original reasoning behind this, I think: to emphasize the fundamental Unity . . . which is why the God of Jewish monotheism should be thought of as an It, not a He.)
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