Le Fanu
Interesting replies...
Mmm...Not sure I buy the Renaissance thing. There were theories and contexts about human form and times have now changed. Bellori (post-Renaissance admittedly) believed that it was the job of the artist to perfect the imperfections and I would argue that it would be wise not to try and create "perfection" or "idealised" bodies. I suppose what we´re talking about here are images that people can relate to.
What I find odd is not the explicit portayal per se, but how misguided it seems.
In comic books, probably the majority of consumers are male so it makes sense.
In male mags, the majority of consumers are male so it makes sense.
But isn´t the target public here a bit different? Yet it surpries me to hear people say "O Im female and hetero and would much rather look at the naked female form". I personally see this as just how conditioned we are by it and the naked male form is just not part of the equation.
For centuries people have been told that beauty = naked female. But interestingly, the 17th Century (and hetero and married) painter Rubens believed that true beauty could only be found in the male form. It´s just a question of what we´re used to. I like Sinduction´s example of Ciro´s Devil card, and I remember at the time there were posts about how many women liked this card. And we don´t even see anything. It´s just a general smouldering, sexual mood.
O and ric, love the Golden Dawn deck, but Im not sure how "present reality" the buttocks of the Star card are.
RiccardoLS said:
Mmm...Not sure I buy the Renaissance thing. There were theories and contexts about human form and times have now changed. Bellori (post-Renaissance admittedly) believed that it was the job of the artist to perfect the imperfections and I would argue that it would be wise not to try and create "perfection" or "idealised" bodies. I suppose what we´re talking about here are images that people can relate to.
What I find odd is not the explicit portayal per se, but how misguided it seems.
In comic books, probably the majority of consumers are male so it makes sense.
In male mags, the majority of consumers are male so it makes sense.
But isn´t the target public here a bit different? Yet it surpries me to hear people say "O Im female and hetero and would much rather look at the naked female form". I personally see this as just how conditioned we are by it and the naked male form is just not part of the equation.
For centuries people have been told that beauty = naked female. But interestingly, the 17th Century (and hetero and married) painter Rubens believed that true beauty could only be found in the male form. It´s just a question of what we´re used to. I like Sinduction´s example of Ciro´s Devil card, and I remember at the time there were posts about how many women liked this card. And we don´t even see anything. It´s just a general smouldering, sexual mood.
O and ric, love the Golden Dawn deck, but Im not sure how "present reality" the buttocks of the Star card are.
that is really not my standard to go by at all – maybe least of all for tarot decks.