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The Considerations Before Judgement


We have the chart but is it a valid chart for the question? The Considerations are supposed to help determine whether the chart is fit to be judged. However some Astrologers, such as John Frawley argue that they are a fiction. used in the past to enable Astrologers to dodge awkward questions asked by their employers (usually Kings or rich nobles).

Now deciding whether a chart is fit to be judged is actually important in all areas of Astrology - it might be argued that natal charts are obviously fit to be judged because we have the native as evidence that the nativity occurred. However a quick scan through the Astrology threads will show that this is not the case - there are instances where some have judged charts for which there is no known birth time, or have judged charts based on birth times that prove to be in error, or even birth dates that are in error. An Astrologer should always do the best they can to verify the data they have and to qualify any judgements, if some vital data is missing, indeed not to make judgements on pure assumption or supposition.

In the case of a Horary chart, it might well be argued that we know it's genuine because, as the Astrologer, we cast it for the moment we understood the question. I started off using them and as time has gone on, I've relaxed on some of them. However they are 'considerations' they do not, of themselves, prevent the Astrologer making a judgement. So I'll list them, as Lilly gives them and add my comments in terms of my own experience.

Lilly's Considerations

1. There should be agreement between the Lord of the Ascendant and the Lord of the Hour (the planetary hour lord when the chart was cast) I'm not sure that you can get the planetary hour lord from Astro.com, for Morinus, go to 'Tables' and from the drop down menu select 'planetary hours' you can then easily find the planetary hour ruler for the time of your chart. According to Lilly they should be of the same triplicity. Now Lilly's examples are ones using the ptolemaic triplicities - which Morinus gives you, if you've set your options as described in the Free AStrology Software thread

http://www.tarotforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=26

Up to know I've enlarged this consideration to include planets who have sign rulerships in the same triplicity as the sign on the Ascendant - e.g. with Gemini on the Ascendant, I'd allow a Saturn hour or a Venus hour as they rule Aquarius and Libra respectively. I'd also allow exaltation rulers - e.g. with Pisces rising, I'd allow Mars (Scorpio). Jupiter (Pisces) and Venus (exaltation Pisces) but to be honest I'm coming to the view that this consideration is really unncessary and it's best simply to ask 'does the chart adequately describe the situation?' So I won't be using it in this thread.

2. Early or Late degrees of a sign rising. That is 0-3 and 27-30. Lilly says don't venture judgement for the first unless it's a young querent or their body corporature matches the description of the rising sign, i.e. if Cancer is rising their body type is Cancer. For late degrees he says it's OK if the chart is cast for a precise time relevant to the question, e.g. I last saw my pet cat at 3:52 pm and it's not come home for it's tea, is it OK? If 3:52 produces the late degree rising, he says it's still safe to read the chart. Frawley reckons that this consideration came into use because of difficulties telling the time accurately and a change of sign produces a different significator for the querent (and therefore very likely a different answer), Accurate time pieces mean that this is no longer a problem. (unless of course you have 3 different time pieces all giving different times ) It's worth considering but it doesn't stlop me doing a reading, unless it's coupled with another consdieration I use. There's also a line that early degrees mean it's too soon to know the outcome and late degrees means there's no action that the querent can take to affect the outcome. These make some sense and I do tend to use them as qualifications.

3. When the the Moon is Void of Course. For Lilly this means that the Moon will not apply to a major aspect before it changes sign or if it does the major aspect will not be completed in the early degrees of the next sign. Lilly also allows a Void of Course Moon to be used if it's in Cancer, Taurus, Sagittarius or Pisces. The first two are its rulership and its exaltation, the latter two are the signs of Jupiter the greater benefic (which is exalted in Cancer). I use the VOC Moon as a consideration and tend not to make a judgement for those charts. The key to this is that it's the Moon that mediates between heaven and Earth and no manor aspect = no heavenly influence.

4. Moon or Ascendant in the Via Combusta. The Via Combusta is a stretch of the zodiac from 15 Libra to 15 Scorpio and literally means burnt path. I don't use these considerations at all.

5. The Seventh cusp afflicted or Lord 7 retrograde or otherwise debilitated, Saturn in the Seventh or First (unless Saturn is a significator in the question), Lord of the Ascendant combust. The argument for this is two fold. Firstly the seventh house is the House of the Astrologer doing the chart, so if it's afflicted or Saturn is in it, his or her judgement will be impaired - they will get the answer wrong or miss something important. The argument for affliction to the Ascendant is that it shows a weak querent who might not be able to take the necessary action to secure the desired outcome. I don't use either of these. My reasoning is if I refused to do a chart on the grounds I'd probably get it wrong, I'd not do any charts at all! Also if the querent is weak then this is actually necessary information for answering their question. Id' rather be told that there's little I can do to affect the outcome than the Astrologer say, I'm not prepared to make a judgement - what does that mean? She's seen nasty things happening to me and is to shocked to tell me?? A fertile imagination doesn't react kindly to being told 'no judgement' without giving good reasons.

OK those are the considerations - the Void of Coiurse Moon is the only one I tend to use as a definite deferral of judgement, and I'll say so. The others lead to a qualification of the answer or are ignored - e.g. the ones relating to Via Combusta or agreement of triplicity.
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