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Originally Posted by Teheuti View Post
Huck -

From what I can tell, the first nine cards contain themes found in the first five Etteilla cards - but without Etteilla's Days of Creation (de Gébelin) overlay. The Minchiate Francesi (MF) cards 6 through 9 are the four elements that, in Etteilla are cojoined with the cards 2 through 5: Sun, Moon, Stars, World (MF - also has these concepts as 2-5). But, only the image of Chaos is similar.

It is interesting to consider that Etteilla may have seen this deck and taken some ideas from it.
Well ... it's called Minchiate Francesi and Etteilla lived in France and had some sense for playing cards generally. Likely he knew about the interesting productions of his time. That two totally independent productions both started with "Chaos" looks not probable ... either there is a common tradition, which isn't calculated (what about the Demorgone ? ... or these always present models of spheres ? ... and the Minchiate also had 4 elements), but influenced both, or there's simply direct influence: Etteilla knew the deck.
And not to forget: Etteilla lived for some time as Kupferstichhändler (copperplate engraving merchant) in Strasbourg. So somehow he should have understood something of the market.

Kabbala as the "common ground" between both isn't so probable. The West-Europeans Jews had lost interests in the Kabbala and after the long enduring expulsion from France there weren't so much Jews in France in 1790. Still around 1900 there were not much, about 50.000 ... about 10% of their number in the comparable Germany. In Germany there was a final sect still active in the 1780's, the "Frankisten", based on the person of Jacob Frank.
... who became a topic to Gerschon Scholem later, who with interest researched such cases. Jacob Frank had been actually an excommunicated Jew from Poland.
In Eastern Europe Kabbala stayed active a longer time ...
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