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Originally Posted by Minderwiz View Post
This is one of the areas that I am trying to get my head round, so if the explanation changes, it's because I've found something new. Firstly I think the Fitness/Energy/Completion framework coves more than one dimension. Specifically it feeds into the Length of Life calculation, as well as the general assessment of planetary strength and the areas of life that we are more familiar with.

At the moment, I am not planning to cover the Length of Life as I don't fully understand it to say the least and I certainly am not going field questions about 'how long will I live'. According to some of the material I should have had a very short life. As I'm in my mid 60's that's obviously not true. However I did have a 'traumatic' birth and I could have died at that point - in Hellenisitic times, I probably would have. The Length of Life calculation for some writers involves the use of 'Circumnabulations' a forerunner of Primary Directions, so part of the F/E/C is concerned with how effectively the planets add to or detract from your time here on Earth.

As I haven't disentangled this from the rest of the astrological use of F/E/C I have to be careful in drawing conclusions but I'd say as a first stab that Mars is full of potential but might not actually deliver as expected.
Understandable about not tackling Length of Life here! While it's certainly a subject we're all curious about, and I do plan on doing the Arabic/Medieval calculations for my own chart one of these days, I don't blame you for avoiding that can of worms on a public form. That the F/E/C "scores" would factor into this calculation makes a lot of sense, though. As well as the question of how effective a planet will be for the other life areas. I guess we'll see as we go on how my Mars performs.

Well a positive influence from Mars might make you more assertive (without being aggressive) might help to get engaged faster with problems or indeed general life, might give you more strength or 'courage' to handle the hard times. This could show up not just in the affaris of the houses Mars rules, but also as a more general trait to your character. It may also blend positively with other planets it has configurations with. And I'll be looking at some of those in Stage 3.
These examples are helpful, thank you. I'd say it makes sense in my life, too. I'm not an aggressive person (except for maybe a little intellectual aggressiveness when hashing out a point), but I'm certainly assertive about my ideas, or when tackling a problem, or when standing up for someone. I'd agree that these traits are positive expressions of Mars energy, as opposed to the trouble he could cause if he were in bad shape.

Well Firmicus states that Mars and Mercury together on the Ascendant by night make men (and presumably women) in charge of great religions, generals, heralds, guards and followers of emperors, or great administrators. So whilst not being debate oriented it certainly seems to be good.

Now I've used Firmicus there, and I've not allowed for other aspects to the pair. For Stage 3 I'll use other authors as well and try to interpret the configurations. Not all of them as I'd more than double the length of the thread on that one stage alone but for a selected topic.

In the section I've used above Firmicus talks about an opposition of square from Saturn in a nocturnal chart involving dangers, hindrances and the risk of being cheated. I'll have a look for what the trine can produce and include it at Stage 3 if you remind me.
Hmm. Well, it's good that it seems go be good! But I don't usually find myself "in charge" in the way of a general or leader. Herald, perhaps -- I do like to bring information to others, and can do it well also if diplomacy is required.

I look forward to reading the interpretations of the aspect configurations. Just the other day I was whining in the "Saturn Transiting Ascendant" thread about my Saturn & Mercury/Mars trine, so I hope you cover that one at least.

Yes I think there may well be and I'll look at that at the outset of Stage 2.[/QUOTE]
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